• Jakdracula@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2521·
    3 months ago

    Russia went from being the second best military in the world, to being the second best militarily in Ukraine, to being the second best military in Russia.

      • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
        181·
        3 months ago

        That’s probably still China, lots of money invested but their actual combat movements look horrific. Their special forces are legit very good though.

        • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          10·
          3 months ago

          A billion people and the largest basic manufacturing capability full stop scares the bejesus out of me, I don’t care if they can’t march straight.

          I also have no reason to expect they’re anywhere near as incompetent. Probably just normal dictatorship levels.

          • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            3 months ago

            Yeah they don’t need a big military. They can just call in debt or flip off the manufacturing switch that supplies the rest of the world and they’ve already mostly won.

            • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              2·
              3 months ago

              I really hope we in the West wouldn’t just fold the moment “ABBEXA childrens plastic bucket fun water toy for family” gets cut off, but the thing about civilian manufacturing is that it can be converted to military manufacturing. One moment it’s making buckets, the next it’s making covers for mines. And, the sector isn’t even bad quality anymore; it’s not as good as CNC nerds in Germany, but their stuff will work at a basic level and arrive on schedule. Meanwhile, the need to supply Ukraine has exposed that our own manufacturing, while advanced and awesome, doesn’t scale very easily.

              It’s all a bit academic because of MAD, but the main reason I think we’d have a shot in a conventional war is that the professionals seem to think we’d have a shot.

          • Madison420@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            3 months ago

            Nah I have issue with having a well prepared military, I have an issue with finding excuses to use it.

  • Mechanize@feddit.itEnglish
    133·
    3 months ago

    Red Alert 2 Chronosphere

    The Chronosphere was a mass teleportation device developed by the Allies during the Second World War. An improved version was used to decisively end the Third World War and was used further until the end of the Psychic Dominator Disaster. Albert Einstein was a notable contributor to the Chronosphere’s design.

    Good times.

  • ladicius@lemmy.worldEnglish
    66·
    3 months ago

    Don’t hit me back after I hit you. After I hit you repeatedly. And after I killed your families. And after I destroyed your infrastructure and mined your country.

    Don’t hit me back. Please.

          • skulblaka@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            3 months ago

            Depends how you define “the war”. If Russia just gave up and went home today then most likely, immediate hostilities would cease. But it would do nothing to prevent them from starting the next war again later. In fact, having proven that they can invade a sovereign country and then leave with next to no significant backlash more or less guarantees the next war.

            When people say the war doesn’t end until Moscow is overthrown, it doesn’t mean that we want or plan for Ukraine to march right up to the doors of the Kremlin and burn it down with Putin inside. I doubt anyone would make significant moves to stop that happening, but that’s not the point being made. The point being made is that the Putin regime has proven itself a bully and a liar, and has proven pretty definitively that they will remain those things. So long as Putin remains in power his regime will continue to strike at nearby victims for profit. They’ve been doing it the entire time he’s been in power and they aren’t about to stop now unless forced to. Removing his forces from Ukraine and then leaving him in charge of them does nothing except kick the can a few years down the road while Russia regroups.

            So yes, if you define “the war” as ending when the fighting stops, it would end it now to just send everyone back home. But it’s less of an ending and more of an intermission, if Putin is not punished. He won’t take this lying down especially after he and his forces have been so thoroughly humiliated during this conflict. Leaving him in control of his national and military assets makes it a certainty that he will be back to finish what he started, provided he lives long enough to actually do so.

      • Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        3 months ago

        I mean yeah you can say it’s just a proxy war, but if a large nation supporting a small nation during a time of war makes it a proxy war, then the American Revolution was a proxy war between Britain and France. Proxy wars can still be liberatory, just like this one, where Ukraine is literally fighting for it’s freedom and survival.

  • harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    55·
    3 months ago

    Russia is too big to just call it West Alaska. You’ll need to divide it up a little. You’ll need: New Karelia, East Poland, North Ukraine, and West Alaska.

    • massive_bereavement@fedia.io
      351·
      3 months ago

      Otherwise we could escape to the one place that isn’t corrupted by capitalism:

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