The suspect, stepson of a deputy sheriff, was on the Sheriff's Youth Advisory Council, and had a history of anti-communist rants, support for the Gaza genocide and hatred towards minorities.

The suspect in the Florida State University shooter, who faces first degree murder charges for killing two and injuring five on Thursday was a member of Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA, a fascist youth group around the Republican Party, and is a registered Republican voter in Florida. The 20-year-old suspect, Phoenix Ikner, is the stepson of Leon County Sheriff’s Office Deputy Jessica Ikner, who has been with the department for 18 years.

  • Squiggles1212@lemmy.nz
    11·
    2 hours ago

    Forgive my ignorance, but I have a question about this. In my country, we tend to associate America with a lot of DIY justice, from vigilantism to witch hunting, and you can still find the stereotype of Americans hunting down witches/communists/abusers/etc. in localized media. Yet nobody is witch hunting against gun owners?

    I don’t know, I look at many of you and think that yelling “that guy’s a gun owner” sounds like it would have more merit and success than “that guy is an abuser”. Gun owning sounds like the one thing I can find feasible to do in the form of mob justice, and nobody does it. And here you guys are descending into chaos because bullets are a cultural value to you.

    • Bilb!@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      1 hour ago

      I don’t think angry mobs are a common thing here, but setting that aside-gun owners tend to shoot people who are hunting them. Angry mobs are not brave.

    • Godric@lemmy.world
      2·
      53 minutes ago

      Yeah we should get in a big group with little space between us and threaten the homes and families of people with shotguns, fantastic idea!

      Only half the country has a gun in the household, this plan is brilliant!

  • Dasus@lemmy.world
    184·
    10 hours ago

    Is he short?

    He looks rather short.

    I wonder if that got to him. Seems to be a weirdly touchy thing to some.

  • Zomg@lemmy.world
    38·
    15 hours ago

    This one of the home grown terrorists I hear about? Or does this not qualify?

    /s just in case

  • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world
    1971·
    1 day ago

    When news of the shooting broke I was with my dad who said “the shooter was probably radical Democrat since they are the violent ones”. FoxRot is real and dangerous.

    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      871·
      1 day ago

      Back in the old days of Fark, I remember there used to be a flowchart of people’s reactions to mass shootings:

      • Mass shooting happens
      • initial reaction: guy is a terrorist Muslim and we need to bomb some country in the middle east.
      • news shows it’s a white guy
      • “Oh my…how sad. He must have been really struggling.”

      I feel like the right has replaced the second step with whatever out group they are trying to target.

      • barneypiccolo@lemm.eeEnglish
        12·
        5 hours ago

        Following the Oklahoma City Bombing, EVERYBODY jumped on the Muslim Terrorist bandwagon, but it didn’t sit right with me. Why would a Muslim bomb a building in OKC? Most Muslims wouldnt even know what Oklahoma is. Why wouldnt they pick a more iconic target? It’s all about making a statement, after all. It just smelled like a homegrown terrorist to me, and those around me derided me for being a “Muslim-lover.”

        Then it turned out to be a standard issue American white guy, with blurry motivations beyond being generally pissy about the government for some incomprehensible reason.

        Critical Thinking Skills are the most important skills you can learn in life. They keep you from being stupid and falling for propaganda.

        • GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          3·
          2 hours ago

          Critical Thinking Skills are the most important skills you can learn in life. They keep you from being stupid and falling for propaganda.

          And that’s why we don’t teach it here in Bangbangshootyland.

        • andros_rex@lemmy.world
          5·
          3 hours ago

          Then it turned out to be a standard issue American white guy, with blurry motivations beyond being generally pissy about the government for some incomprehensible reason.

          He had a copy of The Turner Diaries and connection to a cult compound called Elohim City which is operating to this day in Oklahoma. He clearly viewed himself as part of some sort of Aryan resistance movement. (Don’t forget the involvement of Nichols - who got the death penalty as well - and the Fourier couple, who our tax dollars put into witness protection to insure that no one would face any consequences.)

          There’s more than a few in OKCPD who were sympathetic to his cause. Unfortunately, Terrence Yeakey was so disturbed by whatever was on the missing VHS tape that he slit his wrists and shot himself from behind…

          He was also specifically pissed about Waco and Ruby Ridge. Tucker Carlson has been suggesting that people go Ruby Ridge themselves of late…

      • frunch@lemmy.world
        171·
        1 day ago

        Wow, i haven’t heard anyone mention Fark in ages! I spent a lot of time there before Digg…

    • Fingolfinz@lemmy.world
      673·
      1 day ago

      Magats are lost causes and they’ll never be functioning members of society in any meaningful way again. They are class traitors who want to watch the world burn

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      It’s not a prerequisite for the first degree murder charges in Florida like it is in New York State, but I still think his actions qualify based on the state laws. Maybe we’ll hear more about what all he is or is not charged with when his court dates are announced, as was the case with Mangione.

      2024 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI - Crimes
Chapter 775 - General Penalties; Registration of Criminals
775.30 - Terrorism; Defined; Penalties.

775.30 Terrorism; defined; penalties.—

(1) As used in this chapter and the Florida Criminal Code, the terms “terrorism” or “terrorist activity” mean an activity that:

(a) Involves:

    1. A violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or

    2. A violation of s. 815.06; and

(b) Is intended to:

    1. Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;

    2. Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

    3. Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

(2) A person who violates s. 782.04(1)(a)1. or (2), s. 782.065, s. 782.07(1), s. 782.09, s. 784.045, s. 784.07, s. 787.01, s. 787.02, s. 787.07, s. 790.115, s. 790.15, s. 790.16, s. 790.161, s. 790.1615, s. 790.162, s. 790.166, s. 790.19, s. 806.01, s. 806.031, s. 806.111, s. 815.06, s. 815.061, s. 859.01, or s. 876.34, in furtherance of intimidating or coercing the policy of a government, or in furtherance of affecting the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, commits the crime of terrorism, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) A person who commits a violation of subsection (2) which results in death or serious bodily injury commits a life felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this subsection, the term “serious bodily injury” means an injury to a person which creates a substantial risk of death, serious personal disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or an organ.

History.—s. 1, ch. 2001-356; s. 5, ch. 2001-365; s. 1, ch. 2001-366; s. 1, ch. 2017-37; s. 112, ch. 2019-167.
      • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 hours ago

        These school shootings often lack (but not always) the needed intent in B.

        I don’t think it’s hard to make a case for that in the CEO shooting.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 hours ago

          That’s fair but the text being OR and not AND means it is vague enough that you could apply it to punching two people as it is “a violent act” which “is intended to” “injure”.

          • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
            1·
            3 hours ago

            That’s not how I read it personally.

            You need to

            Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;

            AND

            Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

            OR

            Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

            Notice how the influence part has a very explicit or on the end of it, but the intimidate doesn’t

            If all you had to do was injure someone, and not be trying to influence or alter the conduct of the government through the action, it turns nearly everything violent thing into terrorism.

    • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
      451·
      1 day ago

      The terrorism charge only takes place when the victims exceed a certain income level.

  • HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    56·
    1 day ago

    He was at the center of a custody battle since he was a toddler, with his father alleging his mother neglected and abused him.

    Kind of have to wonder which parent was actually abusing or neglecting the kid, seeing as all this happened under his father’s roof.

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
    998·
    1 day ago

    this isn’t a crime that would have been prevented by the gun control measures advocated by the Democrats, since none of the proposals involve disarming the police

    Just had to get that in there, you fucking donkeys.

    I saw some of these guys at the protest on Saturday. Someone had a microphone and spent, no lie, about 2/3rds of the time they had the mic aiming vicious criticism at the Democrats. Not “both sides,” not the whole system (that was the remaining 1/3rd), but the Democrats specifically. I thought about making a bigger post about it but I’m not even sure what to say about it. I think there was 0 criticism at all leveled at the Trump administration or anything that they were doing.

    Great job guys

    • barneypiccolo@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      5 hours ago

      Not only did they cheat their way into power in the 2024 election, they convinced the Dems to remain silent about it, lest their criticisms of 2020 Election Denials be turned against them.

      But their second biggest win was convincing the Dems that they lost fair & square, and thus getting the Dems to completely turn on each other and destroy themselves from within.

      The Democratic Party needs some serious reform, mostly embracing a more Progressive path, but their core tenets are still solid.

      • Fondots@lemmy.world
        34·
        1 day ago

        I work in 911 dispatch, a lot of my coworkers are predictably bootlickers.

        I can’t even tell you how many calls we get all day everyday where we’re all just left scratching our head going “Why did you call 911,about this? This isn’t a police issue.” But since usually the only tool we have in our toolbox is police, that’s what we end up having to send.

        But they’ll balk at any suggestion that maybe our police don’t need a new armored truck and a new police station, and whatever other stupid shit they’re spending tax dollars on, and instead maybe we should spend that money to beef up our mental health services, public works, homeless outreach, animal control, code enforcement, and other services that we could be providing instead of just sending police out to deal with non-police issues.

        Luckily, my local police are pretty good as far as police go, not too trigger happy, generally make a decent effort to handle mental health issues carefully, they usually manage to not make things significantly worse, though they often don’t do much to improve the situation either.

        • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
          14·
          11 hours ago

          they usually manage to not make things significantly worse, though they often don’t do much to improve the situation either.

          I think even with the best of intentions, if two people with guns show up to some sort of crisis, it’s easy to see how that might not be, like, the right vibe at the moment.

          Edit: word

          • Fondots@lemmy.world
            6·
            15 hours ago

            It’s definitely the wrong vibe a lot of times, but it’s also a weird balancing act.

            I like to think my county has our shit together about as well as anywhere in the country (which is admittedly a fairly low bar) We do have some other resources available to us that we try to make use of, like a mobile crisis team (which is technically some sort of private non profit entity that receives county funding and works with us and our police departmens very closely, but it’s not something that we can directly dispatch in the same way we can send police/fire/EMS)

            And they do a lot of good, they go out and respond to calls from people who need their assistance, and often handle things just fine on their own.

            But a lot of times we find ourselves getting calls from those teams because they went out to make contact with someone, who they spoke with and who requested their assistance, but started getting aggressive so they need police to assist them.

            And I’ve been on the phone with a lot of situations that have taken some crazy turns, where it starts out sounding like a totally boring, routine call for an officer to come out and take a report or address some minor issue, and suddenly everyone is yelling, punches are being thrown, something is on fire, etc.

            So in the interest of safety, a lot of non-police calls probably should still have police respond as well, they just need to strike a happy balance where they’re waiting outside or something, ready to bust in if needed, but otherwise they’re not directly involving themselves in the situation.

            But overall, a whole lot of my calls would probably be best resolved if we could force people to sit down with a middle school guidance counselor and learn how to take a deep breath, count to 10, use their inside voices, and listen to each other.

    • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works
      275·
      1 day ago

      I hate how the narrative now is:

      Yeah the republicans are bad, but the democrats didn’t stop them from doing the bad in the most perfect way so who’s the real bad guy?

  • sittinonatoilet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    19·
    1 day ago

    Ikner cited this “tragic event” in 2015 when he went to court to change his name from Christian Gunnar Eriksen.

    Changing your name is so woke!

  • frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io
    422·
    1 day ago

    The mom is still with the sheriff office after her kid used her issued weapon to murder people? That seems like an immediate resignation type of event, with potential for criminal negligence charges down the road.

    • arrow74@lemm.eeEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      I’m from Tallahassee and small correction. It was her former service weapon that she purchased from the department after it was decommissioned. It was her personal firearm.

    • Fingolfinz@lemmy.world
      26·
      1 day ago

      Cops are so fucking careless with guns it’s unbelievable. Any time you hear of an accidental discharge, it was the cops negligence and they’re lying about it because Glocks do not misfire without user error

      • DrFistington@lemmy.world
        12·
        1 day ago

        LEO are involved in hundreds of accidental discharges a year, they also shoot themselves and other officers on accident dozens of times per year. Unfortunately exact numbers are very difficult to get because cops always fight having their actions tracked in national registries.

        I’ve also thought it’s hilarious how cops seem to love glocks. The “dual trigger” safety mechanism is shit. It can get caught easily on your holster, waist band, or one of the 20 fucking things on your belt and cause an AD. Oh yeah, if you have shitty trigger discipline like most cops,then you’ll probably have an AD too.

        Springfield makes a much better, safer pistol, IMO

        • Fingolfinz@lemmy.world
          81·
          1 day ago

          Sorry, mate, I’m a Glock fan boy. Love mine and never had a misfire or snag. I don’t doubt how good Springfields are though, I have been wanting to try one out. They look really snazzy too

    • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      I heard it was her service weapon which she then purchased as a personal weapon?

    • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
      72·
      1 day ago

      I thought I’d read in a previous article that the mom went to prison for kidnapping him a few years ago and taking him out of the country in violation of their custody agreement. If I’m recalling this correctly, it’s insane that he can still work as a deputy, but I know how Florida loves their cops.