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“Global antisemitism on the rise”. Is that because Israel turned genocidal against the Palestinians?
More specifically it’s because Israel and its allies are running a successful global campaign of conflating opposition to its genocide with antisemitism, which, in turn, normalises antisemitism, which, obviously, harms Jewish people everywhere.
I still agree with the “Jews against Zionism” crowd who take great offense to the idea that anti-genocide is the same as antisemitism. Because that seems to insinuate that genocide is linked to Judaism, which in itself is a pretty antisemitic idea.
If I was a non Israeli Jew, I would be PISSED at Israel for that exact reason.
I won’t say the same of Israelis, because looking at the percentages who are pro leave no Palestinians alive, they seem too much like a blood lusted cult to care about the opinions of.
And yes I know the Palestinians feel the same way, but the party with the bigger stick matters and always shoulders the burden of wielding that stick responsibly, and Israel has no interest in that.
As a non-Israeli Jew I will confirm, I am very very very fucking pissed not just because they have made the world less safe for me but because this poison of national narcissism has used our trauma as a tool of evil. I can’t participate or be near my own culture anymore which was once a deep comfort for me who’s last memories of many of my late loved ones being our shared religious ceremonies. The name of Israel on my lips in prayer now sours the kiddush wine.
Well said.
“well, if the shoe fits”
well, if the shoe fits
Well, the shoe fits.
I choose to believe these are rage-bait and false flags. Otherwise, multiple someones managed to learn a language with so little introspection and contextual understanding that I’d have to downgrade them to an LLM.
The “if you’re criticizing Israel then you are an antisemitic” argument is getting really really old and fucking tired.
I have never in my life had any issues with anyone who is Jewish just because they are Jewish. Nor will I ever. But I have serious issues with the state of Israel committing war crimes on a daily basis and expecting not to be held accountable.
100%, fuck the country of Israel, the people leading the country, and the people hands on murdering civilians. Death to the IDF.
My Jewish friends never bought into it either.
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Many Jews are not religious
I dunno, sounds like a fake story to me
Islamists are fundamentalists btw, so exactly the kind of religious zealots you seem to despise
Almost like Jews and Muslims are the same people born 20km apart or something
Meh. That place taught the actual real world. And because of that experience I believe I have been successful with my own life. You can disagree it was real but I lived it.
I actually want to watch Superman now, and I will 100% assume this genocidal US ally is a stand-in for Israel and appreciate it all the more for it, because the shoe certainly fits.
I didn’t catch on to the allegories in the film until after I finished watching it. I can, however, attest that it really is a great film. It’s funny when it wants to be, tells a story I found interesting, and really feels like a comic book in some of the best ways.
Fuck Superman. The US just as complicit and don’t tell me this movie is some rebellious act. This is a major corporation co-opting a message to move units.
(No offense, just tired of all the marketing that’s getting passed around)
The whole “calling out Israel for genocide means you’re antisemitic” line is so worn out and honestly just exhausting, this post made me laugh!
My parents watch PBS Newshour and are very anti-Israel because of what they’re doing to Palestine. One night, PBS ran a piece about how Israel’s PR was labeling any criticism of Israel’s action as “anti-semitism” and my folks were naturally incensed by this. The very next night, PBS ran a piece about the statistically increasing occurrence of anti-semitism in the world - without any discussion of just the possibility that much of that increase is due to criticisms of Israel being labeled as anti-semitism. My parents, of course, were then incensed about all the anti-semitism.
Israel has spent like 4+ decades trying desperately to associate criticism of israel with antisemitism. And the world has complied, Hell its now a crime punishable by decades in prison just to support Palestine in the UK. Gotta wonder how Churchill hasnt lept out of his grave and started cockslapping motherfuckers.
Netanyahu also used to have a penchant for comparing people who refused to gargle his fucking balls to Hitler, in a blatant attempt to shame people into Israeli compliance. Hasnt done it so much anymore, Probably because descriptions of Hitler and his actions would rub too uncomfortably close to what Netanyahu and Israel are doing now a days.
times are shitty indeed.
I wonder how actual nazis see this kind of shit: do they feel validated and think “haha they were always criminals” or are they pissed because (so far at least) israel can bomb kids and camps and hospitals and schools and food lines over and over and over again, angry that nazis faced consequences for their crimes, eventually?
Israel has spent like 4+ decades trying desperately to associate criticism of israel with antisemitism
yup
It only hurt jews those false accusations
“they’re showing a country of mostly white people invading and brutalizing a defenseless country of brown people which is clearly about Israel-palestine”
c/selfawarewolves
I can all but guarantee that’s an American writing that comment anyway.
They look pretty much the same in terms of skin tone. It’s not whites vs browns. They all just look Mediterranean, which isn’t that surprising because that’s where they are. Palestinians are a lot lighter than people seem to think.
Unless we’re going with the US definition of race, in which anybody coming from a poor country is non-white. I mean, they used to think the Italians and Irish weren’t white.
They look pretty much the same in terms of skin tone. It’s not whites vs browns. They all just look Mediterranean
Who? Israel’s dominant sociopolitical group are Ashkenazi. They’re white. Pretending it’s Mediterraneans vs Mediterraneans is playing into the Israeli lie that Jewish people are the true native people in Canaan and everyone else is an outside invader. When in reality some Jews are native to the area, just as the Palestinians are. But certainly not the 20th century neocolonial supremacist state of Israel.
… most Israeli Jews are Sephardim, Mizrahi, or mixed. For that matter, Ashkenazi Jews tend to vote for less genocide-happy parties in the Knesset. And on top of that, a significant portion of people in the Levant do not have a particularly different phenotype from Mediterranean Europeans.
This is like when a bunch of people got up in arms over how ‘white’ the king of Jordan was. Like, fuck’s sake, what the fuck is this neo-orientalism?
Uhm, you do realize that French, Spaniards, italians,… are also considered white nowadays and are mediterranian?
Who?
pretty sure they’re talking about the people of the two fictional countries in the movie
They said “Palestinians”
you’re right, i misread the comment
They used to think the Italians and Irish weren’t white.
Blast from the past right there.
attacking a defenseless neighboring people
They’re so close to figuring it out
They know. They like committing genocide. They just don’t want international consequences for it.
Its antisemitic to say its bad to bomb defenseless people…
Pretty soon even Schindler’s List will be “anti-Semitic” for these people…
I see where Trump got his name calling ideas from.
All of “his” ideas.
Sealing wax, wow sick burn…
…if used carelessly.
Oh wow. I didn’t know he was controversial from the start.
Does Nazis not liking something really make it controversial?
If there are a lot of Nazis, then, yes?
Jerry “Sealing Wax” (Siegallack)
holy shit the nazis always had 4chan humor even in the 1930s
They’re mad that they’re identifying with the genocidal, colonizing villains of the story?
I keep expecting Jeff Bezos to get angry at the portrayal of Lex Luthor to top it off.
This complaint is such an admission. They can’t point to a single similarly between Israel and the bad guys in the movie except, “nation with technology advanced weaponry being deployed against unarmed civilians,” and they’re not even disputing that that’s an accurate depiction of what’s happening. It’s not like they’re saying, “this movie parallels Hamas propaganda.” They’re saying, “depicting colonial genocide negatively is anti-Israel.”
Someone have context if we haven’t seen the new superman?
Also I want to scream a million times. Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.
Israel isn’t Judaism and Judaism isn’t Israel! Mixing that up is problematic because you’re confounding anti-zionism (a settler colonial state project committing genocide) with anti-semitism.
Mixing that up is intentional, so that you can be accused of being antisemitic by not supporting Israel. Politicians love to do this.
Politicians love to do this.
Fuck, anyone with an agenda anymore!
At the start of the movie, Superman has just stopped an invasion. The fictional country Barovia, a US ally, has advanced weaponry and attempts to invade and annex a much smaller and poorer fictional country Jarhanpur which doesn’t appear to have a military of any kind. Barovia is ethnically white (coded as Eastern European/Russian) and Jarhanpur is ethnically more middle eastern.
It is not a giant leap to correlate these countries to Isreal and Palestine, but really those superficial details are where the the similarities begin and end. There is no apparent religious connection to the invasion, nor terrorist activity. No ongoing tensions, direct involvement from the US goverment in the invasion, or any act of war or other event that triggers Barovia to invade. It is just a powerful country attacking a smaller country for their resources on the orders of a power hungry dictator. It’s a trope that is not exclusively related to current events, that made as much sense 50 years ago as it does today. And the purpose of it in the film is to both critique Superman’s naivete of geopolitics, and to reinforce his values that every life matters.
People that are mad about it and pretending that it is explicitly a depiction of the Isreali-Palestinian war are projecting meaning that isn’t there, at least beyond maybe some subtext. It’s always a bit telling when people see generic bad guys in a movie and think, “this is about me!” But, of course, if they felt that the depiction of the overwhelming military force against civilians made the Palestinians seem sympathetic to them… maybe they should think a bit more about why that is.
Off topic question but is the country really Barovia? That’s a hilarious nod to Dungeons and dragons if so
No I was wrong. It’s the almost identically named Boravia. Getting my fantasy settings mixed up. Boravia has been in DC comics since Superman #2 in 1939 though, so not a nod to DnD. Maybe the other way around.
So it’s Borat’s country then
Borat is canonically from Kazakhstan, which is a real-life country.
which is a real-life country
no it’s not
I mean, what else could it be? Stalwart American ally coded white with advanced weaponry attacking mostly defenceless brown neighbors without cause and with the intention of occupation and annexation. Their weaponry is mostly from America. The cherry on top, they would scede some of the land to an American billionaire.
I said that it wasn’t a leap to connect it to Isreal and Palestine. Depending on the details you fixate on though, I’m sure you could connect it to any number of real life historical conflicts. The Isreali Palestine conflict/genocide just has the benefit of being at the forefront of our minds, and I’m sure at least some of the similarities are actually intentional. But it’s not so close as to make it unquestionable that they are one and the same.
But I can’t think of any other conflict it would match.
The Reconquest of Spain? White Eurpoeans pushing out Middle Easter occupiers, made possible in part by advancements in war technology.
Some of the Crusades? White Europeans annexing a foreign land of Middle Eastern people, using advanced armor and seige weapons.
Colonization of North America? White Europeans annexing a foreign land and displacing it’s much less technologically advanced darker skinned inhabitants?
World War II? Advanced German war technology and annexing their peaceful neighbors?
Russian-Ukraine War? White Russians attempting to annex the lands of their neighboring nation unprovoked for a land grab using what would have been their overwhelming war technology without international help, all while Russia lies and claims to be liberating the people.
I haven’t seen it, but I think it’s pretty apparent in the trailer. Superman is supermaning, and modern powers, both real and fictional, don’t like that.
“Superman has somehow become the focal point of the entire world’s attention and I cannot accept that.”
Damn, Lex Luther is even more an Elon Musk type in this movie huh?
Saw it last night, and yes. Lex had more than one scene inspired by actual Musk actions.
Which is a shame, because classic Luthor had extremely valid concerns about ceding ultimate power to someone you can’t take it back away from. He used to be one of the most sensible “villains” I knew of.
He still is, depending on the adaptation. I liked the one from Young Justice.
I can’t actually watch videos especially trailer types with lots of movement due to a disability. So was wondering if anyone had a text based interpretation.
The president of the USA is mad at Superman for stopping a hypermodern army from destroying brown people and stealing their land
That does have some interesting parralells. But I think it says more that zionists see it and take the other side!
The “evil” president out to kill brown children looks like Netanyahu.
Why are there a bunch of random people just hanging out in seemingly the middle of nowhere lol
Saw the flick yesterday. Honestly the conflict isn’t meant to represent Israel Palestine. The invading country speaks Russian. There have been so many conflicts throughout history where a nation with substantial military power invades a neighbor that has pitiful defense capabilities. That whole part of the story has more to do with criticism of the military industrial complex than any real world conflict.
The invading country speaks Russian
Boy do I have news for you about the origins of Zionism.
Ah jeez. Teach me 🥲
A lot of the prominent members of
terroristparamilitaries that later formed tzahal were from r*ssian empire a lot of theorists as well, specifically from territory of modern Ukraine mostly due to “pale of settlement” policy of the empire. I think that’s what gp hinted at (don’t know what language they spoke predominantly, mostly yiddish I think).
Its really simple:
If you are a Zionist, Israel=Zionism=Judaism.
If you are not a Zionist, Israel<>Zionism<>Judaism.
The non Zionists are objectively correct, but Zionists are extremely good at intentionally not understanding this.
Its really no different than any member of any religion that cannot concieve of a non-objective, non-universal morality system.
They are brainwashed, propogandized, and cannot divorce the concepts, because they’ve been so strongly confounded and confabulated together in ways that are actually not logically consistent, but held together with an explicitly irrational faith.
If you are not a Zionist, Israel<>Zionism<>Judaism.
Zionist, Israel=/=Zionism=/=Judaism.
FTFY
<> is ‘not equal’ in SQL syntax
!= is another one for ‘not equal’ in SQL, and a good deal of other languages, but I went with <> because of the ls and Is, <> is more visually distinct.
No way, TIL
=D
To some extent the SQL syntax also kind of makes sense… It’s a combination of both “greater than” and “smaller than” operators, which is kind of a different way of saying something is not equal.
The “!=” comes from most programming languages using the “!” character for negation. Negating something is usually read and pronounced “not”. So it literally reads “not equal” if you are reading the symbols.
The “!=” comes from most programming languages using the “!” character for negation. Negating something is usually read and pronounced “not”. So it literally reads “not equal” if you are reading the symbols.
And programming languages get it from math, where “inequality” is represented by the symbol “≠”,
!=is the closest you can get with ASCII.Now what’s more interesting is that math uses “¬” to represent “not”, I bet there’s a telegraph keyboard from the 1940s that explains the reasons behind all this.
1I don’t really know why <> was chosen as the old school ‘not equal’ for the SQL syntax… I just know it by way of having been working with/in various forms of SQL for… 20+ years?
If I had to guess, it may have something to do with keeping the character set down to a bare minimum.
SQL is fucking old, its been improved and modified and evolved over the years, but, it was first invented and formalized back in 1973, when you still had computer (storage) memory as basically giant spools of magnetic tape, personal computers didn’t really exist yet, having 8 KiloBytes of RAM would have been considered astoundingly powerful, years ahead of its time.
Thats uh, 0.0000076294 GigaBytes of RAM, or I think about 512x less than what a basic Nintendo 64 had.
His is a common syntax for not equals. Yours is just what people use when they dont know how to make the math symbol ≠
His is correct, yours isn’t. If you want to assert the math symbol is the only correct one, at least actually use it
It’s common syntax in compsci, which I don’t have an education in. Yeah, I understand that there are specialised characters. I guess I’m just not pedantic enough to search how to create them on my desktop keyboard, or copy them from a web search, when I can approximate them using simple symbols and people understand what they mean. That would be like me pointing out that “≠” is an equivalency notifier which means “Is not equal to” and not “not equals” and that “<>” is actually a comparison symbol in the compendium of mathematical figures and does not actually notate equivalencies. Which could lead to a broader discussion on meaningful differences in mathematical symbols, based on the context within which, glossaries of mathematical notation are viewed. But, any insecure dickhead can google something and insert themselves into an interaction with a sense of superiority without actually engaging in any good faith discussion. So, I probably won’t. Have a nice day though!
I have an education in compsci, and I have worked in software engineering and platform engineering for 8 years now… And I only know of one programming language that makes use of “=/=” which is Erlang. Every other language or scientific papers I know of make use different operators.
Prolog comes close with “==”, and Haskell too with “/=”, but every other language has either used “!=”, “~=” or “<>”. The papers I have read that go for a more pseudo-code or mathematical notation has always used “≠”.
You should see the definitions and examples of antisemitism the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
That’s what they’ve been pushing.
“If the shoe fits”… So maybe sit with your thoughts a bit longer to a logical conclusion instead of jumping to social media to dump your little thought vomit.
why the fuck would I ever listen or subscribe to a subreddit know as r/israel
fuck net-nannny-yahoo
