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*fascism
It is Fascism. Not bullshit.
Sure, if you’re a politically illiterate who gets their ideology from Marvel movies and thinks “fascist” just means “bad guy”
It’s no surprise actual fascists are so easily taking over right under liberals noses, when liberals have been so fanaticaly insistent on refusing to actually develop any real understanding about what fascism actually is, because then they would have to admit that Marxists aren’t fascists. They wouldn’t even have to admit Marxists aren’t bad, just that they are a different thing to fascists. But even that is too much.
Dont care
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Jean-Paul Sartre
ml bad
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This is all .world liberals seem to have: just screaming “No! Be quiet! Fuck you!”
I feel like liberals have gotten to never actually having to content with other ideologies because they’re used to their security forces simply destroying them.
And then they wonder how fascists are taking over…
And I thought .ml stood for machine learning. I wondered why they made me read the communist manifesto to join…
Ironically: the Free and Open Source Software ecosystem is the one place communism has repeatedly worked with minimal issues.
Turns out that “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” is super easy when the means of production and end product are open to everyone and cost nothing (other than effort) to create and nearly nothing to distribute.
… that and the consequences of failures or delays in a project are a little different when comparing software to basic human needs.
Not to be the party pooper but “to each according to his needs” part is really broken in the FOSS ecosystem. Sure there are some popular projects that get funding but there are so many critical projects that are being maintained by people as a hobby…
The “to each” part refers to the software they receive in this case I believe. Money in FOSS is… Yeah.
from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs
GAFAM: “Absolutely not, go fuck yourselves.”
It’s because participating in FOSS is completely voluntary whereas participating in an economic system is not
An attempt to filter out the liberals coming from Reddit, too bad they still invade .ml comms. Don’t worry though, it appears the neolibs on this comm just troll and make stuff up
Tankies can get fucked. :)
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Everyone talks about dinner first, then sex. But sex makes hungry. Wouldn’t it be better to have sex first, THEN go eat dinner and grab drinks?
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you’re .ml in a post making fun of tankies…
“tankie” is just an epithet used by liberals for people on their left they don’t like, like “woke” is for chuds
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Your leftism is a delusion.
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You can do both, vote and rebel.
Voting is still the most effective way to change politics.
But you rather live in a country where people like Trump get voted in, as long as you get to feel smugly morally superior.
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Of course you are starving when you live in a totalitarian communist regime.
Liberals are literally flattening people with tanks in LA and throwing dissidents into gulags in El Salvador, Guantanamo, Bay, and the Florida Everglades.
It’s so fucking crazy to see them talk about “Tankies”, then rubber stamp another hundred billion dollars for genocide at home and around the world.
Red fascists are the real leftists? Lmao
More leftist than the blue fascists that dominate .world
Mmmm… having an open mind about how North Korea is the nice guys and denying Xinjiang Genocide…
Can you name a single accusation the West has made against China that you don’t believe?
I don’t think China wants war with the EU, the USA, SK or Japan.
Apart from that well let’s say it is not exactly easy to judge the truth of something when the accused country has a record of not letting the truth be revealed and openly threatening another country with invasion
I don’t think China wants war with the EU, the USA, SK or Japan.
And why does that not make you a tankie?
the accused country has a record of not letting the truth be revealed and openly threatening another country with invasion
What about when the accusing countries have a record of not letting the truth be revealed and openly actually invading multiple other countries?
Because I am not defending the authoritarianism in China. It is a dictatorship as much as Russia is and as much as the USA is speedrunning towards. Tianmen Square happened, people got massacred by Chinese military specifically by tanks. And this sentence alone could very well get me banned on .ml
I am not defending the authoritarianism in China
No. You’re defending slavery in Tibet and warlords in Afghanistan. You’re sending billions to finance a genocide in Gaza and propping up Hinduvista supremacists in Kashmir. You’re sponsoring coups in Venezuela and Bolivia, financing gulags in El Salvador and Honduras, and propping up a former Al Qaeda leader in Syria.
Then you’re flooding Columbia college campus with paramilitary to black bag peaceful protesters, torturing dissidents in prisons stretching from Alligator Alcatraz to Abu Garaib, and propping by dictators from Saudi Arabia to the Philippines.
But hey, China Bad. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Because I am not defending the authoritarianism in China.
Yes, you literally are. You are claiming that an accusation made by the West against China isn’t true; that is what you have consistently treated as “defending the authoritarianism in China”, so why should you be judged by a different standard. You are a tankie, by the same criteria you use on others.
It is a dictatorship as much as Russia is
Anyone can make assertions, but you have no way to actually back this claim up. It’s simply not true.
USA is speedrunning towards
Funny how you can never actually say that a Western country is as bad as it’s enemies; it’s always “moving towards it”. Meanwhile the actual people of China are vastly more happy with the state of their democracy than the US is.
Tianmen Square happened,
Yes - 40 fucking years ago. Do you have any idea how much heinous shit the West has done? Do you have any idea how many orders of magnitude worse then shit the West has done since then? Multiple entire countries have been destroyed. The West is collectively carrying out a modern Holocaust on a population of two million people, right now, and you act like it’s self evidently true that something that happened four decades is more horrendous. Maybe take a moment to consider why you have to reach back so far for your “China bad” example, because you sure as fuck wouldn’t have to for the West.
people got massacred by Chinese military specifically by tanks.
Can you imagine what Western security forces would do if rioters started stringing up police by nooses and burning them alive? An entire line of tanks stopped for one man in China. In the West they would have rolled right over him.
And this sentence alone could very well get me banned on .ml
No, it couldn’t. At worst it might get the comment removed for misinformation (technically there’s no evidence that tanks specifically killed anyone), but it would not even get you a temp ban.
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OP certainly rustled some tankie jimmies. It is a glorious to behold how they came here to whine and whatabout about it as they do.
It’s become strawman arguments to create different tribes. The issue isn’t about China or what they do well or do badly. The “facts” and accusations against “tankies” are just taken as given.
Prejudice has become mainstream and a serious problem because people are just fed up with actually arguing. I think it started with the global warming denial. we learned that it’s not just fringe groups that are simply immune to arguing, but that you can have half of the people be immune to political discourse. And of course Russia propaganda played a major role in that, but much less than the climate denial or religious or libertarian propaganda that comes from think tanks and the Koch brothers and Murdock and other plutocrats.
As a radical and dissenter myself, I’m not pro Russia or pro China but I see them as a country of human beings and see how the propaganda against them is used to deflect both blame and attention away from the dominant world order, “US centric imperialism”. The “leftists” and “progressives” point their finger to Iran or China or Russia about the LGBTQ or whatever issues over there using mainstream media or memes, instead of primarily focusing on the responsibility of their own actions, the actions of their own countries. The effects of soft power, the effects of “economic imperialism” on other countries, and their ignorance of what regime change actually means for the actual quality of life of those people living in “shithole” countries. Liberals don’t realize how redpilled they are, how “unwoke”. Hate sells really well in the attention economy.
Almost nobody on “those instances” believes Russia or China is socialist. It’s simply that a unipolar instead of a multipolar world will mean much less hope for any socialist projects to succeed. Constantly painting them as “evil” and threatening them with military expansion is also just wrong.
The issue isn’t about China or what they do well or do badly.
Almost nobody on “those instances” believes Russia or China is socialist.
China is Schroeder’s Communism. Nobody seems to know whether it is a failed state because of their broken backwards Marxism or a juggernaut that’s doing capitalism more Libertarianly than we are.
All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.
All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.
But at what cost?
Just to remind you, the only one’s threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia
Well, good thing you said military expansion, guess that completely let’s the guy who’s economically attacking a number of countries while also offering to pay them to join his country off the hook!
I am not us-american, and I hate that orange turd as much as you do
What were we doing in Iraq, again? Why are we still occupying Cuba, 60 years after they told us to leave? How come we have military bases all over the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands and the Middle East and West Africa?
Also, what has Israel been doing in Lebanon and Syria?
And while we’re at it, what is India doing in Kashmir?
Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.
Don’t try to dodge the question
You think America was the only country that invaded Iraq? Learn some history.
ONLY if you ignore “soft” power, “regime change” economic imperialism and meddling in foreign democracies.
You are responsible for your own actions, and the actions of your own country. Don’t allow yourself to be blinded by the propaganda pointing to the “shithole” countries. Look at the numbers and the effects of the wars in recent decades. Follow the money.
Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.
Which is great if you ignore everything else.
I’m curious how that will play out. They removed the carrot but kept the stick.
I am not American. Fuck US politics but also screw you for being so self-centred
I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.
You’re country is balls deep in a modern holocaust.
Germany no, not directly. Indirectly they are collaborating with their ally and shielding their foreign policy. Like saying only those US rivals are dangerous. Indicating we need to invest in more weapons to defend ourselves against the bad guys. Europe probably should create their own military alliance to decouple from US military aggression, and stop supporting US sanctions / economic aggression.
Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Syria, half of Africa, half of South America, etc. And yes, overthrowing a government to install a puppet counts as territorial expansion.
I agree on how annoying can be thoses doing constant whataboutism about US to glorify China, like “everything bad that happened here is propaganda made by western and shit” things (blocking is the way, it’s always the sames, eh yogthos?).
I joined .ml originally only because i read the description and it was appealing for me “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”
Understood later in meant marxist leninists but at least I see opinions from all sides there and they doesn’t bother me that much so i stayed.
But again can we avoid another pointless instance war? We’re stronger together and the fediverse is better federated.
I kind of disagree. Some opinions are not worth being heard. Nazis/Magas, Tankies and other extremists don’t contribute anything of value.
My life here on lemmy has been way better since I blocked all posts from lemmygrad.ml, lemmy.ml an blahaj.zone. Unfortunately there’s no way to block comments as well, but other than that it has been a way better experience without the constant extremist propaganda flooding my main page.
But you’re bringing up a great point. We really do need some kind of landing page that warns new users about joining these instances if they are not extremists themselves.
blahaj.zone??? that one does not belong in the list
Yeah, it does. They seem like purely trans friendly bunch at first, but it’s pretty clear pretty early on that they are extremely close minded and will attack anyone and anything that could be taken as transphobe in even the most ridicolous way.
They will ban people for finding furry porn weird, for saying “dragons don’t exist” or stuff like “‘I identify as an attack helicopter’ is obviously a joke” and they take issue with being told that not everything is about them. They may not be as bad as the tankies and nazies, but they’re still very much people I don’t want in my feed!
Why not? Left wing extremism is leftwing extremism
Nazis/Magas, Tankies and other extremists don’t contribute anything of value.
How convenient it must be to have been born into a society where the average political position just happens to be the true, objective center of all politics, and that anything outside of it can be dismissed out of hand as extremism without consideration.
For the vast majority of humans, both historically and now, adopting such a position would have meant unquestioningly accepting a deeply regressive ideology that history would leave behind. But you are just lucky enough to be born after history finished, when the one true centrist ideology has been objectively determined, one that definitely isn’t extremist even though it keeps murdering hundreds of thousands of people.
Sorry, I’m just not in the mood for rage bait right now. Enjoy your angry little life 🤗
This post really is a goldmine for my blocklist! <3
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
-Jean-Paul Sartre
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- Tribal mindset ✅
- Shit on Lemmy despite having way more activity than a normal user ✅
- Pointless drama farmer ✅
Anything missing to my bingo ?
How are you getting a bingo with 4 things checked off?
Did they edit it? I only see 3
An ever sadder becoming “bingo”
Free space in the middle
The drama isn’t pointless. Because it informs new users on what a shitshow .ml is and to stay away.
The second one doesn’t make sense. They are only shitting on a dumb instance full of extremists, not the entirety of Lemmy. And the activity on .ml is lowering each day because of all the awful extremists on there.
So your bingo card remains mostly empty.
Haha wow great meme OP.
They have an 87% approval rate on it and I think it’s pretty funny!
No you don’t, you’re just so deep into political grievance that you don’t remember the difference
Oh I could have sworn I did but I guess you would know me better!
I mean, if you really can’t tell, then yeah, I guess I do know you better.
Perfectly blocked. 😀
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China is the lesser evil.
Don’t you liberals believe in supporting the lesser evil?
Go to China then and be happy.
I’m on your side in this but that’s a crap argument.
Akin to when Americans ask for free healthcare and people say “well go move to Europe then!”
Oh, I’ve mostly stopped arguing with tankies. I’m just trolling a little at this point.
I appreciate that but if you troll them with dumb takes and bad faith arguments, you are only strengthening their views and making them look smarter
making them look smarter
I doubt that’s possible. Just have a look at the newest answer to my comment, apparently this is about america now despite me being german on a german instance and just suggesting to “go there” and not “leave [country]”. Everyone here must be 'murican I guess.
Don’t worry, the people complaining about “tankies” are so tribalist that you can make the dumbest laziest takes imaginable, and the ‘tankie’ can give the most well thought out, nuanced and rational comment imaginable, and they’ll all still agree with you anyway.
I lived there for four years. For me the bad outweighed the good.
“If you don’t love America, you can geeeeeet ouuuuut”.
Modern liberals are just Bush era conservatives
Why do you make this about america?
Point stands for the West in general. It’s all American vassels anyway
Suuuure.
People will complain about .ml users being toxic and then act like this
No. They didn’t. Not a single lemmy user has ever claimed this. Not ever. You are lying. You are openly lying and you know it.
I’m in the belly of the beast.
Right where I need to be.
Google tiananmen square and comment a screenshot
Lol, you literally couldn’t even wait for them to respond before trying to get your come back in
Ok.
Not going to post another screenshot from a the children’s media you get your political position from?
Literally Orientalism.
Orientalism is quite the broad stroke, generalising quite a bunch of very diverse cultures. You are wandering dangerously close to racism here, buddy.
I thought Winnie the Pooh was orientalist?
i.e. Westerners portraying Xi as a yellow animal
I fucking hate the word orientalism. We look like that. We eat funny stuff. We dress weird. As long as there’s no hate you can fucking laugh at it.
Cool racist meme. DuckDuckGo okay?
That said, China’s firewall has been vindicated by the plague of fake news and propaganda that lead to the election of Trump. When you allow the internet to go unfiltered, corporate and far right interests will fucking destroy it and fill it with lies to manipulate the masses. Do I need to remind you of the time Facebook triggered an ethnic cleansing campaign?
And our media is still being censored! It’s just that our censorship is the market forces that promote certain messages and suppress other messages. So far right talk shows get promoted, while Colbert gets canceled.
Is google today after what the free market has done to it?
Stopped reading after the first sentence
Of course you did, liberals cannot allow their minds to be corrupted by opposing views
Heard one tankie ramble on about their worthless bullshit ideology, heard them all. Literally no diffenence between this shit and MAGA shit except MAGA wants to suck Trump’s dick and you guys want Putin and Xi. Other than that you people spew the same kind of logic-resistant sludge. It’s not that I haven’t seen what you guys are about, I have seen it and deemed it void of any value. Miss me with that.
Lol, sure.
Perfectly balanced 😌The dissonance of someone with queer in their name being an advocate for the CCP…Jesus Christ
Ergo propter hoc. Nice try though.
I’m begging you people to stop just reading off random Latin phrases from the Wikipedia logical fallacies page because you saw people doing it on Reddit and think they’re magic incantations that you can cast to win arguments
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is an informal fallacy that states “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.”
What the hell does that have to do with China being the lesser evil?
Your premise is that China is the lesser evil, therefore liberals should support China because (whatever reason you decided because liberals). Though I do appreciate you looking up the argument to understand it. It’s not a perfect analogy, but close enough.
Because liberals believe in supporting the lesser evil within their own nations. Am I wrong?
I’m just applying that same principle internationally.
Are you applying it as a negative to libs? If so, then my reply stands. You created an argument via propter hoc… and it should be discarded. If you intended something different them you should reword your argument to something more substantial than “libs choose less sucky thing so they should like China.”
You created an argument via propter hoc… and it should be discarded
Fallacy fallacy. Nice try though.
I’m pretty sure that falacy applies to events and improperly assigning cause i.e. if Y followed X, then X caused Y
I think you’re just using it wrong.
Go ask the Uyghurs if they also think China is the lesser evil.
I have, most of them don’t consider it evil at all. Funny how Westerners always say “go ask people living there” when they absolutely mean “trust the West”
It is funny how you guys always becomes complete fans of the “lesser evil”. As if it is not actually considered the “lesser evil” by you, but “the absolute best and most fantastic thing that exists”.
You mean like how Kamala Harris was the lesser evil that noone ever should criticize for any reason?
Which is exactly how the liberals who talk about “lesser evil” feel about the democratic party
There are definitely good traits and much to be said about China’s accomplishments. But it’s just the same old empire story. Even if it’s the lesser evil, how long will that last? How far from the Golden Path will each new generation stray? Corruption and rot has always been historically given.
Younger maybe, but not sure if lesser.
I remember reading a Chinese translation of Open Veins of Latin America, the translator asked a Chinese entrepreneur for his opinion about Europeans exploiting Latin America, the reaction was “well we are just late to this game”.
A random Chinese entrepreneur isn’t really representative of China?
Maybe China will prove it’s just as evil as the West, but it hasn’t so far. Insisting it inevitably will is just speculation, because the Chinese development banks that loan to the third world are less evil than the IMF/World Bank, and the Belt and Road initiative is less evil than Western free trade agreements.
Not sure how do you measure evil.
The only thing I’m certain is they are newer player in the colonizing game, so the accumulated damage is less than Europeans.
The way you speak of China like a person is confusing to me. Are you talking about the people? The government? Xi Jinping?
“less evil” is also a very low bar.
If China is so great, why does it have so many billionaires?
The fact that that number is decreasing even while it’s overall wealth is increasing is more than you’d ever see in the West
Pretty ironic for someone named queermunist to support a regime which has openly made anti-queer remarks and anti-queer legislation.
And it’s objectively better to queer people than much of the West. Fuck I hate western liberals using us as a shield for their bigotry. Just like how you say “Hamas is homophobic!” to justify killing every one in Gaza, including the queer people
cant think of China as the lesser evil when they keep harassing Philippine vessels in Philippine waters.
Yeah man, that’s much worse than anything the West is doing…
Do you people hear yourselves?
what do you mean by your question?
when we experience their abuses firsthand, what should have we heard? they make people work against their will in the illegal gambling centers and online scamming sites they operate, kill our wildlife by the boatloads by importing our protected species for their medicine, or are the biggest drug lords in the country resulting to the deaths of many, what should have we heard?
i acknowledge that the Ph has problematic ties with the US for decades. but at the present, the Chinese government and Chinese criminal organizations are giving us more problems.
*edit: inserted ‘and’
what do you mean by your question?
I’m wondering how you can possibly find yourself writing that China is worse than the West because they harrass fishing boats in a minor naval territory dispute and not realise how absurd that is.
when we experience their abuses firsthand
Do you think nobody experiences the abuses of the West first hand? Do you think other people aren’t real?
people work against their will in the illegal gambling centers online scamming sites they operate, kill our wildlife by the boatloads by importing our protected species for their medicine, or are the biggest drug lords in the country resulting to the deaths of many, what should have we heard?
You probably should have heard any news from the West in the last few decades? “Oh yeah, exterminating two million people in Gaza isnt great, but China runs online scamming sites!”
I’m wondering how you can possibly find yourself writing that China is worse…
i didnt. i didnt write that China is the worse evil? have it occured to you that they are equally evil to us who have been invaded by these nations?
i acknowledge that we also have problems with the US. our history is riddled with that. we also have been victims of abuses from Japan during the war, which they dont recognize. in the present, many of our problems from the outside come from China. like the countless lives lost because of their drug syndicates here.
or are you saying that the dead Filipinos are less important because not as many have died compared to Gaza? because to me, both are unfortunate.
thats why i cant think of China as the lesser evil. yes, even counting all the astrocities of the western world that you pointed out. because China is as evil as them.
just because i dont think agree that China is the lesser evil does not mean that i am pro US. that is such a narrow-minded take.
have it occured to you that they are equally evil to us
That’s just as absurd. Be serious; if China were to exterminate your entire country, would you say that that’s no worse than what they currently do? Because that’s what the west does and is doing.
or are you saying that the dead Filipinos are less important because not as many have died compared to Gaza?
Yes, less people dying is not as bad as more important dying, that should go without saying. If the Filipino government has killed a single person, does that make it as bad as the Holocaust?
because to me, both are unfortunate.
And one is vastly more “unfortunate”. (I would say horrific and monstrous, but sure “unfortunate”).
thats why i cant think of China as the lesser evil.
Then I cannot count the Filipines as a lesser evil to the Nazis; if proportionality means nothing and all evils are equal, then you are as evil as the Nazis.
just because i dont think agree that China is the lesser evil does not mean that i am pro US.
If you believe of the far worse atrocities of the US do not make it worse than China, then yes, you are pro US, because you have a double standard that favours them.
oh im sorry about my use of the word unfortunate. english is not my first language so my vocabulary is not as expansive as yours.
if China were to exterminate your entire country, would you say that that’s no worse than what they currently do?
well, i dont have to wait long to know for sure. will update you soon. why not ask the indigenous groups that they are wiping out.
Eesti piir käib vastu hiina müüri! lennubaas everesti tippus!
Your mom is lesser evil.
Only as long as its a pro-empire/pro-western lesser evil, the double think on these liberal instances should be studied
Wowzer wowzers! The very next meme in this worlder meme comm is a sinophobic one 🙄. JUST after I got done seeing the russophobic one. Clearly !memes@lemmy.ml is superior 😁
First, making fun of authoritarian bootlickers (or criticism of authoritarian regimes) is not [x]phobia.
Second, you clearly skipped the capitalism critical Mad Max Fury Road meme in between making fun of authoritarian bootlickers.
First, making fun of authoritarian bootlickers (or criticism of authoritarian regimes) is not [x]phobia
When “authoritarian bootlickers” means literally anyone who doesn’t automatically believe every accusations lobbed against your countries enemies, in both fact and framing, then yes, it is xenophobia
No it doesn’t mean that. It means anyone who unironically worships an awful authoritarian state like China, Russia or North Korea.
Stop trying to change definitions.
Good news, no-one is “unironically worshiping” anything, certainly no more than people on .world “unironically worship” awful authoritarian states like the US, Germany, and Canada.
Stop trying to change definitions.
Can you name a single accusation made by the West against China that you don’t believe? Or even one that you will accept others not believing.
Lol.
Lmao
If I could make an observation, hexbear was largely defederated not based on politics but because people did not like them as human beings. They might have found more sympathetic ears if they had been more tolerable.
Tell me again how based North Korea’s communism is?
Can you name a single accusation the West has made against North Korea that you don’t believe? Or do you genuinely think the West never lies about its enemies?
Very based! Just look how much the empire has to sling misinfo about them 😁
If the resources are distributed based on need why is Kim Jong Un a fat fuck while his people are barely fed?
Yet another empire lie
Is the western media colluding to inflate his pictures and make him look like a fat fuck?
How could you possibly have the knowledge of what empire three letter agencies like the CIA have openly admitted to doing for decades and then turn around and say nahhh photoshopping a couple pounds on someone and spreading rumors is where they draw the line??
Do all the western media outlets send their picture into the CIA so the CIA can photoshop him to constantly look like an ever inflating balloon or had the CIA applied some sort of live reality distorting force field around him?
When I watch the DPRK military parade why do most people, including soldiers look gaunt and anorexic then? Many of them look like years of malnutrition.
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Show me one fat North Korean that isn’t Kim.
And not one that escaped North Korea and fled to a Capitalist country.
You mean the meme community that is having a content and user drought since people started avoiding your instance? because we don’t want to associate with you guys anymore? such a darn thing that here noone will just ban people who go against your russo-chinese power fantasy en masse with a simple “rule 1” in the modlog.
I just got banned from there, I didn’t realize it was an ML comm. Oh well no love lost lol
You prefer the Europe/Israel power fantasy on .world?
What Israel power fantasy? Everyone is shitting on them and shouting to free Palestine.
How much did pootin pay you to make such a flawed propaganda post? I can guess it isn’t worth much.
What Israel power fantasy? Everyone is shitting on them and shouting to free Palestine.
Lol, half the political coms on .world are moderated by a Zionist who bans people for reporting Gaza genocide denial and considers “death to the IDF” forbidden
i prefer the reality where Authoritarianism is bad, including from
- US Nazis
- Zionist-Nazis
- Russia (don’t have to type the nazis out here, thats currently a bog standard feature)
- China (those are more like stasi than nazi)
- DPRK (those are a fucking cult)
- or from dessalines (coder with delusions of grandeur with a hard-on for Putin and the DPRK)
And if you classify being pro europe as an issue - one of the few areas on the northern half of the planet where you can mostly (sadly not completely) live your life without the state trying to fuck you over and still provide decent living standards - then you can just fuck off into one of the areas mentioned (except you are already living in dessalines little kingdom, so i would expect you to try out the real thing next, eh?) and see if i care.
Zionist-Nazis
Clearly not, given your affinity for .world
China (those are more like stasi than nazi) DPRK (those are a fucking cult)
You cannot claim to hate western authoritarians if you also unquestioningly accept everything they say about their enemies. Can you name one claim the west has leveled against China you don’t believe?
one of the few areas on the northern half of the planet where you can mostly (sadly not completely) live your life without the state trying to fuck you over and still provide decent living standards
Ok, so your don’t actually “prefer the reality where Authoritarianism is bad”, you just prefer a reality where that authoritarianism is used to create a global system that transfers disproportionate wealth to benefit white Europeans. You’re fine with authoritarianism so long as the state declares the people on the receiving end to not be “citizens”. Try asking the people from a place that’s been destroyed by the European powers, and who have tried to move to Europe to escape the carnage, how much Europe will “let you live your life”.
then you can just fuck off into one of the areas mentioned
Nice “anti-authoritarianism”
except you are already living in dessalines little kingdom
And you live in db0’s. What’s your fucking point?
dude, i will not engage with your brainrot. i don’t support the fucking IDF, go bash your head against some other wall.
I never said that i don’t question what i heard, stop imagining things. What i’ve heard makes a lot of sense tho, like the chinese bothering Uyghurs even in europe and threatening their families in china to keep them silent. there is just too much evidence for behaviour like that from multiple sides. not everything about china is bad (there is good in nearly every country), and they’ve done a lot to improve the average life there, but they mess too much with their citizens for my liking.
and if you start defending the DPRK here, i’ll laugh your ass outta here. This poor excuse for a country is a private kingdom for a corrupt family with underfed and brainwashed victims as citizens. I will not lose a word more about this blemish on the surface of our planet.
Regarding immigration into Europe: it’s a shame, but you can’t help everyone if it costs you everything. Europe has quite a lot of immigration, which i am fine with, but with the current sinking living standards it’s a hard sell for the citizens to import a lot of people which have no cultural overlap with europeans, which empowers fucking nazis; i’d rather not have a society split between fundamentalists and right wing parties. the tragedy of the commons applies here fully - if the borders are opened completely, it would destroy exactly the thing the immigrants want to have - a stable society.
isn’t it better there if i take you by your word? go live your life in your imagined utopia and leave us alone with your propaganda - if you want to have a society like the chinese have, its right there, you don’t have to spread it where noone wants it.
And the fucking point is that i don’t get banned if i say something that doesn’t fit in db0’s worldview, not like dessalines and other mods on .ml
dude, i will not engage with your brainrot.
And that’s what it comes down to in the end right? "I won’t engage with your ideas because they’re innately wrong, and I have declared them wrong without engaging with them.
i don’t support the fucking IDF, go bash your head against some other wall.
Point to where I said you did?
I never said that i don’t question what i heard, stop imagining things.
Point to where I said you did. Sounds like you need to stop imagining things.
What i’ve heard makes a lot of sense tho
“It makes sense”? What kind of standard is that?
I ask again, can you name one claim the west has leveled against China you don’t believe?
like the chinese bothering Uyghurs even in europe and threatening their families in china to keep them silent.
Remember how I said you cannot claim to hate western authoritarians if you also unquestioningly accept everything they say about their enemies?
there is just too much evidence for behaviour like that from multiple sides.
How did you determine this?
not everything about china is bad (there is good in nearly every country), and they’ve done a lot to improve the average life there, but they mess too much with their citizens for my liking.
Careful, this is enough to get you branded as a red fascist authoritarian tankie. I know from first hand experience, as this is basically my position on China.
and if you start defending the DPRK here, i’ll laugh your ass outta here.
Well this is just a straight up admition that you’re position is unfalsifiable doctrine.
This poor excuse for a country is a private kingdom for a corrupt family with underfed and brainwashed victims as citizens. I will not lose a word more about this blemish on the surface of our planet.
Reread this to yourself and then consider if you saw this kind of language coming from the other side whether you would think it sounds like it’s coming from someone who is themselves “brainwashed”. Also insanely chauvinistic to write off a an entire country as “a blemish on the surface of our planet”; that is legitimately fascist rhetoric - like straight up Nazi shit.
Regarding immigration into Europe: it’s a shame, but you can’t help everyone if it costs you everything
So suddenly authoritarianism is fine with you. it’s just “a shame”. Guess what; every authoritarian uses this reasoning, you just have a massive double standard.
if the borders are opened completely, it would destroy exactly the thing the immigrants want to have - a stable society.
Again, you are not anti-authoritarian then. “Oh but it’s nessaccery that we use unilateral lethal force to deny these people access to the commons, even after we unilaterally used lethal force to destroy the places they were living, because it allows us - not them - a stable society.”
That’s just authoritarianism.
isn’t it better there if i take you by your word?
How about you go live in Gaza or Iraq or Somalia? If you’re going to endorse what you’re governments did to them, maybe you should stand by your word and actually practice what you preach. “Oh it’s shame that we have to drown them in the Adriatic, but it’s necessary so I can have a stable society.”
your imagined utopia
Where have I said this? stop imagining things.
if you want to have a society like the chinese have
I’m working on it, Remainder is hard and they’re not particularly welcoming to migrants, but I’m working it.
you don’t have to spread it where noone wants it.
This from the person who endorsed Europe’s actions? Nobody has tried harder to spread their ideology where noone wants it that western liberals
And the fucking point is that i don’t get banned if i say something that doesn’t fit in db0’s worldview
Yeah, you do, far more so than you will on .ml. db0 perma banned me from the entire instance for saying something that doesnt’ fit with his world view on a different instance. Recently I said something else he didn’t like on a different instance, so he perma banned me again even though I already was, just because he was pissed.
not like dessalines and other mods on .ml
Literally the opposite; to get a perma ban on .ml you basically have to be persistently and obviously abusive and have already gotten multiple temp bans. Seriously, actually check the mod logs.
its enough. you spread lies over lies, you twist the truth until it is unrecognizable, and put things in my mouth i never said. it’s not worth engaging with a liar.
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boy, either you are bullshitting me or you have no idea what dessalines is doing under the cover of “rule 1”, like deleting everything that doesn’t agree with his worldview.
go have a look for yourself, all with receipts: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
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Well when people criticize China for being a totalitarian nightmare/cyberpunk dystopia, rule 1 is usually cited as a ban reason. Because for some reason, criticizing a state is supposed to be xenophobia.
Not just criticizing a state, they do it with the US all the time.
It is specifically totalitarian nightmare states like China and Russia because they claim to be Communist. When they are mostly just Imperialist Capitalists.
I don’t think Russia even claims to be communist anymore, but they still get the pass.
No. They don’t. They don’t actually get a pass either; that’s just a strawman that bluemaga libs have about .ml because they think it’s a flex to never actually read anything the people they hate say.
Russia because they claim to be Communist
Why are the people most obsessed with Russia also the only people on Earth so politically illiterate that they think it still claims to be communist?
At least I haven’t seen anyone on .ml that confidently ignorant.
I didn’t claim that, .ml users did.
I call them Imperialist Capitalists, because that is what Russia is. They are invading sovereign nations that don’t want anything to do with Russia because pootin wants to bring back the failed state of the USSR.
.ml users did.
No. They didn’t. Not a single .ml user has ever claimed this. Not ever. You are lying. You are openly lying and you know it.
Does it really not give you a single moment of pause when you realise you are resorting to open falsehood to make your point? Do you not ask yourself why you are having to do that? Can your position not stand if you’re honest?
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Of that’s sinophobic than racism against white people is real
Nice whataboutism you got there
This isn’t whataboutism. When criticizing the Chinese state is sinophobic, than I’m a self hating white for criticizing my government
