pretty telling that first reation of some here can be summed with: what is really white?

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    In no particular order:

    • Mourn the loss of numerous family, friends, and acquaintances.
    • Panic and prepare for the impending crash of my society’s essential supply chains.
    • Existential meltdown at the idea that billions of people can vanish overnight.

    What a stupid fucking question.

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    Depending on your definition of ‘white’, probably start scavenging for the upcoming crisis. The loss of like 90% of the world’s population will create a supply chain crisis and general systems collapse. Who knows what skills and technologies are lost.

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    This is your daily reminder that Irish and Italians weren’t considered white at the beginning of the 20th century in America.

    Hell, some people in Europe don’t consider albanians to be white.

    Also I’d be very concerned as to where all the racial minorities went. Like genuinely concerned.

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      One of my favorite facts was that West Side Story was initially about the rivalry between polish and Italian immigrants in New York and Leonard Bernstein had to rework it because he received feedback that it would be too niche and people who didn’t live in New York in a very specific window of time wouldn’t get it.

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      People who don’t live in Europe don’t even realise how divided white Europeans are. The Irish and Eastern Europeans are even victims of colonisation.

      And forget North America and Europe, just look at Africa and tell me they did not have inter-ethnic conflicts.

      The post is very silly and North Americancentric.

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        Literally Brexit was mostly about Brits not liking other Europeans being free to move to Britain, especially Poles.

        I lived in London and unless they actually start talking and you hear their accent (or, even “worse” for the average Brit, their language) you can’t actually tell a Pole from a Brit.

        So. yeah, a fucking mid-sized country in the modern era has left a massive European trade union which gave them massive benefits (it has been estimated that Britain’s GDP is growing 2% less every year because of leaving) because of their xenophobia against other Europeans, especially Eastern and Southern Europeans.

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        With all these immigrants, Heaven for sure has become a bad place, which is why I refused to go there when offered!! When God comes to his sense and remigrate them, I’ll reconsider!!

        What, you doubt me? Such a lack of faith! You must be a bad Christian! You’ll probably go to Hell!

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      You’re a star-belly sneech, you suck like a leech
      You want everyone to act like you
      Kiss ass while you removed so you can get rich
      But your boss gets richer off you.

      DKs Holiday in Cambodia

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    “White” is a relatively modern concept, and one that can be quite nebulous. I see some people call Bernie Sanders white, but I also see white nationalists who dont consider Jews white. Back when the British were committing a genocicde against the Irish and driving millions of Catholic refugees into a predominantly Protestant America they weren’t considered white. Some Nazis considered Japanese people “honorary whites”. People around the Mediterranean are a whole mixed bag- Italians, Greeks, and Spaniards have all been treated as white or non-white at times. Racists still debate whether Cleopatra and other Coptic Egyptians should count as “white” or not.

    And of course Europeans have been making up divisions and killing each other over it for centuries. The very concepts of “Italy” and “France” and “Germany” and “Spain” and the like are pnky a few generations old.

    It’s not just “white” people though. The Japanese have a history of committing atrocities against their neighbors in Korea and China. Chinese history is largely the story of the Han people conquering the nations around them, and they are still committing genocide against groups like the Uyghurs and Tibetans today. Sudan had the genocide of the Darfuri in the early 2000’s. The Rohingya genocide in Myanmar is still ongoing. We could go on and on.

    The idea that only “white” people are racist is, itself, a racist idea.

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      I’m mixed race and it’s disturbing how true this is. One of the weird things about being mixed race is that people feel comfortable telling me about their racial views.

      There are a bunch of racial and ethnic prejudices that white people (particularly white Americans) don’t even know exist.

      One funny thing is that many forms of racism focus don’t focus on skin color and instead focus on other arbitrary markers; ear lobes, noses, hair patterns.

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        i’m told eyelid fold based racism is pretty big in the korean community i live by. i don’t understand that one in particular (and i’m happy not quite understanding), but bigots gonna bigot. there’s always going to be something people are born with that they sort and prejudge by.

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      Coptic Egyptians

      But Cleopatra was not a Coptic Egyptian.

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      I agree every big community of people can be a different level of racist to someone, and I guess if you think of it like a racist food pyramid, then ‘whites’ are at the top of that pyramid.

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        I don’t know there are other ethnicity that are pretty good at it. All I can say with certainty is that humans are very good at it. Never seen another animal care about anothers colour so much. Could you imagine if other animals separated by color it would be ridiculous.

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        Yes, they are generally better at everything. /s

        If you think white US Americans are somehow the only ones capable of racism talk to an Iranian about their feelings toward their neighbors. Or better about minorities in their own country. You will be enjoying an absolutely spectacular history and cultural lession on why Iranians are morally, genetically and culturally superior. Just ask something innocent like “What do you think about arabs?”

        White racists dream of being even half as racist as the average Persian.

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    You’d think it would be hair color which is easier to spot at a distance, with the familiar “brighter is better” rule placing the blond[e]s on top.

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        I assume people with medium lightness would be categorized contextually by them, sort of like how people with skin tones that don’t read clearly black or white are irl. If someone with ambiguous eyes is wearing a hand sleeve and acting noble you’ll assume she’s a light eyes, but if she’s wearing a glove and interacting with laborers you’ll assume she’s a dark eyes.

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    The semantical arguments about who counts as “white” already exist and often in very hate filled ways. Alt right “preserve the white race” people already try to bring back the pre world war 2 “Italians don’t count as white” nonsense. And of course tons of Italian Americans are certainly not known for progressive stances

    So basically targets would shift?

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      Don’t forget that WASPs often excluded entire professions to what they considered ‘lesser’ whites and catholics and Jews.

      Ben Shapiro once said that Jews might not be good at the NBA like blacks when he doesn’t realize (or does but is lying) that Jews dominated basketball in the 1920s and 1930s. Ironically then as now racism played a role in stereotyping them. Since Jews were seen as crafty and intelligently sneaky this was seen as manifesting in the sport, which often does need deception to get ahead.

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      The concept of whiteness comes from the Spanish inquisition after the fall of Grenada. Being fair skinned was a way of proving without a doubt that you weren’t a jew or a muslim.

      My guess is we’d start dividing up amongst religious heritage again. Mormons vs. Evangelicals Vs. Protestants Vs. Catholics Vs. The Real Christians

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        Also the Spanish discriminated against Muslims who converted to Christian and doubted their faith as true. This was a generational thing since even their grandchildren were seen as suspect even if they and their parents were born and raised Catholic.

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        Sure but I don’t think the alt right morons on twitter recognize that. They just see olive skin and a name that ends in a vowel and go ew gross different

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          Huh name that ends in a vowel? Having a hard time thinking of guys names but girls there are a fair amount.

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    There’s still gender, age, political affiliation, class/income level, and the big one, religion, for us to fight, separate, and subjugate over. We don’t need eye or hair color, too.

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    I feel I have to point out here that most white people aren’t racist, and don’t give a shit about skin color.

    I know this comment will be down voted yo hell because of course all white people are evil racist bastards, and people of color never do anything wrong, but still…

    This post feels ever so slightly racist. Is racism not racism anymore if white people are the target? I was always taught to just be nice to everybody and that becoming your enemy doesn’t defeat your enemy.

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      The post is hilariously racist.

      “You wake up and there’s only white people left. No black people”

      Like removed. What, Asians don’t exist anymore? Native Americans? Pacific Islanders?

      Or she’d have to recognize that black Americans are just as racist against those groups too.

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      And not only white people are racist is a big one.

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        People freak out when they learn that people with any skin color can be racist. Discriminating in skin color is just so stupid, unless its for the medical sector.

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      I feel I have to point out here that most white people aren’t racist, and don’t give a shit about skin color.

      I know this comment will be down voted yo hell because of course all white people are evil racist bastards, and people of color never do anything wrong, but still…

      This post feels ever so slightly racist. Is racism not racism anymore if white people are the target? I was always taught to just be nice to everybody and that becoming your enemy doesn’t defeat your enemy.

      If you’re a white American whose first response to a post like this is the need to get defensive, I have bad news for you about the cute little “not racist” outfit you’re trying to wear.

      Being racist is kind of like being an asshole in that you don’t get to decide whether you are or aren’t by declaring it- you’ll be informed.

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        1: you know that there are many countries in the world where white people are living, right? There are dozens of us, even!

        2: if someone pointing out that racism works in all directions irks you, I got bad news for you too with your cute "yep I declare you’re a racist!"post

        Being an asshole is kind of being like a racist in that you don’t get to decide whether yu are or aren’t by declaring it- you’ll be informed

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    Monetary worth and land ownership.

    White people have been shitting on each other over economic status and land for thousands of years. They’d go right back to it. Heck, some republicans have already opined that only landowners should vote.