Now we understand why Trump didn’t want [the Epstein files] released.

Just a week before the midterm elections, which are already shaping up to be a bloodbath for the GOP, Democrats have dropped a bombshell. “A growing body of evidence demonstrates that Donald Trump was an active participant in Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual abuse of young women during the mid-to-late 1990s,” states a just-released report from the Democrats of the House Judiciary Committee.

Additionally, they claim that Trump has leveraged his FBI and DOJ to cover up the evidence, and have now called for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate any potential wrongdoing.

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      the media wants the conversation to stick to “look what we found” without moving to “what should we do about it,” hence the constant headlines about us “”“discovering”“” trump’s connections to epstein.

      social media included.

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    So the Democrats had the power to release this evidence but chose to just hold onto it until right now?

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      Ahh but this is the problem.

      Define “the Democrats”. We want names specifically who prevented these from being released? Who knew and said nothing.

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          Exactly. Tons of people running under a dem ticket have no ties to this shit. Don’t let them draw political lines.

          Ain’t no war like the class war

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      Think not Democrats with this mindset. It’s the ruling parties picking and choosing on when it’s most convenient for them, the ones who thought finally now it’s convenient for them to have their congressional pawn to “motion” to have now be the time.

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      Yeah, because up until this moment we had no idea that Trump was linked to Epstein.

      People are stupid, and unfortunately sometimes political manouvering is a strategic game.

      Given the complete lack of consequences for Trump so far, this release timing has a better shot of impacting the elections, thereby having consequences for Trump.

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      yes the entire democratic party held onto evidence the president is a pedophile right until ayyy logged into lemmy to get his morning chuckles

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            Wow it’s pretty incredible that you’re able to diagnose serious mental health issues from one internet comment. You should be volunteering at your local university hospital.

            Also, are you from the past or something? I haven’t heard someone use “you’re neurodivergent” as an insult in decades.

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    We now know the things we all knew 2 years ago. Finally, after all this time, accusations are coming to light after spending so long out in the open and fully in the light.

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      I swear I heard this same headline 2 years ago around election time. “Bombshell” then too.

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    I don’t get it. Didn’t we already know this? Is this not the bedrock that all of his heinous decisions are based on? What other reason would he start a war with Iran? No other reason than to move the spotlight away form his degenerate pedophilia.

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      Voters have to be reminded of things, constantly. With hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Otherwise they might do something stupid like vote for a 3rd party.

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      1-The justice system works off of proof and evidence, not conjecture or presumption, no matter how likely the odds are (ideally speaking that is, different rules may apply depending on your race)

      2-Since the President is also in charge of the DOJ, he has the power to tell them to just drop the issue. Now, a super-majority in Congress can bypass that, but currently that just ain’t gonna happen

      3-Like someone else pointed out, this headline was not written with people like you and me in mind, but rather people who were/are still hesitant to believe what the rest of us know to be true until they have literally no other option, and even then a large number of them will probably just go full-on into denial mode because they can’t handle the idea that they were so wrong about something for so long

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    Trump doesn’t care about being implicated in corruption, he’s already established even in the legal sense to be a criminal and a rapist. Being implicated for more rape isn’t going to make any noticable change. But what does a strong man really fear? Being perceived as weak. Being perceived as less of a man than any other. There is something he’s burying that is going to make him look really bad to his base, that a sane person with morals wouldn’t realize is that notable but will be completely devastating for a strongman wannabe dictator. I’m so curious what that is mostly for the human psychology aspect of what actually does scare trump and keep him up at night?

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      Probably his bisexual nature.

      We have watched him: -Talk about Arnold Palmer’s cock -Deepthroat a microphone -Talk about how strong and muscular dudes “hurt his hand” when he taps their shoulder. -Touched an athlete’s cock -said he checks out guys’ asses.

      I mean, he is a soft man that covers himself in makeup and just cares about ballrooms and interior decoration. Normal people have always known he is a QUEEN. Ironically, him coming out would devastate the right, while the rest of us would still just hate him because he is a Nazi pedophile rapist war criminal.

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    At this rate, what hasn’t Trump done? The guy breathes criminal activity, walks with intention of breaking something and everything he touches will turn to rigor mortis.

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    So many of you in the comments are subject to exactly what the article describes:

    “Part of the problem with the stories of Epstein, Trump, and the corruption all come down to the same thing: The bit-by-bit release of information has created a long record of abhorrent behavior, which means that the bar to shock is so high it’s almost impossible to clear. There is a kind of disgust fatigue at play: Yeah, we know Epstein was a disgusting sex predator, and that some of the men around him probably partook too; what’s new? Those who are ideologically motivated to believe Trump at all costs are also probably motivated to believe him on Epstein too; very little seems like it would change the minds of hardcore MAGA adherents.”

    They said they worked to “flood the zone with shit” and you are all spewing it today. Calm down with the surprise memes. Sit in the hard feelings, shut up or do something about it

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      or do something about it

      What can I dom? It’s kind of a trope with millennials at this point that memes are the form of “action” that represents our overall powerlessness to hold such people accountable, despite it being a scandal that redefines the meaning of “watershed moment”.

      If diddling kids for decades isn’t enough to enrage a country into burning it down, what is?

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        Right? The leader of a country is known for hurting children. Everyone just says, “Yeah I don’t like it, but there’s nothing I can do about it.” because the idea of organizing is so foreign to them that it’s not even considered. That’s an oppressive society.

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          Please show me a nationwide protest movement that has caused any measurable change in the last 40 years. The anti abortion movement maybe, although that had more power as a political wedge issue.

          Iraq war protests, the largest protests in Western history, did nada.

          Anti police violence protests? Cops are still killing people.

          No Kings? Lol

          So what can an average citizen do? Boycott Trump golf and buildings? Take Trump to court?? He’s been sued more than anyone alive.

          Im tired of being gaslight. Out system is so corrupt, and our Justice system is just a way to control the populace.

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            Thank you for providing my point. It’s not gaslighting to say Americans are a repressed population. Saying protests don’t do anything is just dumb. I can list many that have, the Argentinian farmers protest, the Indian Cockroach protests too. Hell, students in France are protesting Trump more effectively. Those happened in the last few months. Americans are filled with so much hopelessness for their futures they’ve learned to be helpless. It’s not that you can’t, it’s that you won’t.

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            Yep. I agree. My answer is still the valid option. They’ll say I’m wrong or from Russia or China or god knows where but man I’m telling you that we gotta split this place up like the EU or something.

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          Been saying this for so long. The US is my country too. It’s better at propaganda than North Korea or any dictatorship. They’re all through force. We don’t need to force our population to believe in oppression. We put oppression on the menu and allow average citizens to experience applying it to others in bits and pieces from time to time.

          You have to break the country to shut down the propaganda machine. It truly does need to be split into several pieces. The corporate media propaganda machine, the monopolies, the political parties who grip onto power…it’d all go away and we’d have a chance to fight for something new.

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            Oh gosh, we need to do the exact thing that the people running the country into the ground want to do?

            trump was pushed by the tech oligarchs specifically to fuck the country up so much it would have to be parted out. The thing that has happened to every company he has ever run.

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            The US is so good at propaganda that you are even repeating its propaganda in a comment that is calling out their propaganda.

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        What can I do?

        Talk to people. Talk to everyone around you. Make sure they know this, and make sure they understand this. Make sure they are going to vote, and see if there’s some help you can offer if there’s something physically stopping them.

        All that does involve effort that some may find exhausting, but you did ask what you could do. Especially if you’re in a red area, it may feel difficult, but it’s what’s needed for now.

        That’s enough in the short term, in the medium and long term a lot more work will be needed to promote better people through the current system, and even push them to changing to a better system. That can only happen if the short term is taken care of though.

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          All that does involve effort that some may find exhausting, but you did ask what you could do.

          Not really, it’s been done. But I’m in one of the bluest areas and it was like speaking to the choir. We had our ICE invasion: not Minneapolis bad but we know how violating it feels. Virtually no one I knows likes what’s happening.

          So it didn’t feel like I did that much.

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            If you’re sure that as many people as possible in your area are motivated, then see if others are motivating other areas and need help, ideas, or even just moral support.

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      No, this just isn’t new information. He literally ran an overt, above board “sexy little girl bodies” business, with other convicted pedophiles. It was even on TV.

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    We Finally Know Why Trump Has Tried So Hard to Hide the Epstein Files
    slowpoke

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      I, for one, am shocked. I just thought Epstein and Maxwell were two lone pedos with unrelated connections to teen modeling agencies and other known sex predators. Sure, the FBI found 300gb of data which later turned out to be dozens of terabytes, including video, which were later hacked, but the FBI said the data wasn’t compromised, so no foul there. It’s a shame he and so many of his clients died of totally natural or self-inflicted causes in such a short time afterward. I bet the discovery phase in court would have confirmed that his associates were blameless and that he was just maintaining a 20-40 terabyte collection of porn for personal use. The whole thing was so unrelated and random that they had to move Ghislaine Maxwell to a low-security prison despite her convictions for some of the worst and highest profile felonies in recent history.

      But now there’s evidence against another person whose name was all over the files and who has also bragged about inappropriate behavior with minors? Consider me shell shocked. Still, having been born yesterday, this is my first real day on earth, so what do I know.

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    This won’t change a thing. Republicans know Trump rapes kids, they’ve decided that it’s not a deal breaker.

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        When I say “Republicans” I’m not just talking about politicians. Republican voters have all chosen to support pedophilia, rape, and blatant corrupion.

        It’s actually not even clear what other policies Republican voters support. It’s not small government, fiscal responsibility, family values, or law and order. As far as I can tell, they’re only the party of pedophiles.

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          It’s actually not even clear what other policies Republican voters support

          the rapist’s child has to be carried out

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        Why would you share that as if it’s a serious comment?

        The guy’s handle is literally BadFaithAct

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      It absolutely will change things

      Just not until after Trump, and everyone politically reliant on him, is dead or out of power

      Until then the divisive propaganda will continue, and roughly 1/3rd of the population will believe it. Not necessarily because it’s actually believable, but because believing Trump did nothing wrong is convenient for them personally

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      It’s a mix of that and their astounding ability to just ignore things or make themselves believe (and/or be convinced by others) It’s “fake news”.
      It wouldn’t even matter if videos were released of Trump being in the act of pedophilia, once people like them have made up their minds about something there is nothing that can change that.

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      They can’t be punished (within the system, at least) as long as the president controls the DOJ and enough of congress supports pedorape.

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      Dems were just waiting for the news to have maximal political impact when they announce their conclusion. Right before the midterms hopefully moves some voters and also sets them up to impeach if they win.

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          Yeah… if Republicans lose the midterms, Trump is a lame duck and some Republicans might be ready to break ranks. It’s a long shot, but it’s a chance. Either way, making the conversation in the media about Trump’s Epstein rapes is a good way to control the narrative up to 2028. Whoever the Republican candidates are will be trying to distance themselves from him.

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            About a third of Repulican senators and all the Democrats would need to vote to remove him. That doesn’t seem likely.

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              The more places Democrats get, the less Republicans you need for the vote.

              In the other hand, if the situation is close to 50-50 with Democrats having a very slight majority in both houses, maybe Republicans would be ready for a deal where JD Vance becomes the president and the government will be allowed to successfully pass at least some laws? After all, Vance won’t be really much different from Trump, just not supporting the Russia that strongly.

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                I’m not even sure you could get all democrats to vote to impeach. There will always be enablers like Schumer and Jeffries who say stuff like “now is not the time” and “It’ll never work anyway” or “It’s not worth the cost.”

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        Maximal political impact would be to convict him in court fair and square and when he refuses to show up to his sentencing, bring the firing squad to him.

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    It wasn’t because he’s in them 30,000 times? I thought it was because he was in them 30,000 times, and also an adjudicated rapist. There’s other reasons they don’t want to talk about him being a proven racist? Weird.