Also, the Jewish God and Muslim Allah are on the International Space Station.

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    The Bible. What do you want from me?

    The Christ confessor in Mark, Luke, and Matthew is Peter while Mary gets to go to the cave. In John the Christ confessor is Mary and she gets to go to the cave. The early church fathers liked to really play up her supposed life of being a removed before repentance. Meanwhile Paul hints at her existence and says nice things about her. At the same time Mark makes her so dumb she “tells no one” about what would be the single most important moment in Christianity while Luke and Matthew give her a helper to make the right decision.

    It’s hard to pinpoint exactly what happened but there is a trend. She goes from being a major leader of the earliest church to a removed that Jesus saves and is too stupid to know what she saw. If I had to take a bet: she was part of the very early church, funded and organized a lot, and had some falling out probably with someone from Paul’s community. So Mark tried to memoryhole her and would have done it except John had some story about how she rocked and saved her.

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        Christ confessor: the person who answers Jesus when he asks who I am for the first time. Check for yourself the first three gospels it is Peter the fourth it is Mary.

        The endings of Mark wasn’t part of the original. They were attempts at harmonizing the text. The original ending ends with Mary fleeing the tomb and telling no one.

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            What blog did you copy that from? And yes it was a literary device but that doesn’t suddenly mean whatever ending you want goes there.

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                It is only backed up because the other gospels plagiarized from it. This is like being amazed that Batman is an orphan in the comics, movies, cartoons, and graphic novels.

                Mark diminished Mary’s role just like he did with the entire ministry. Matthew invented what happened next by trying to figure out what Paul was talking about in the letters.

                Welcome to the Bible where what really happened doesn’t matter.

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                    It made perfect sense to cut it there. It was a cliffhanger with Paul finishing up.

                    Secondly, you even seemed to say so yourself that John was written more isolated from the synoptics, so if they were trying to “censor” out when making stuff up, why would he include her in his gospel in the first place?

                    Because there is no “they”. It was separate groups putting out works.

                    Lastly, that’s assuming Marcan priority, which generally tries to presuppose that Matthew wasn’t an eyewitness account in the first place

                    Which is a valid assumption since Matthew was not an eyewitness and Matthew copied Mark word for word at places. There is no presupposing here. Whomever wrote those two books were liars writing propaganda.

                    The early church clearly records Matthew as being written first and Matthew being written by Matthew

                    Genetic fallacy, sub-type argument from authority, logical fallacy. Something is true because it happened not because someone said it happened.

                    keep in mind that the Gospels were widely circulated by then and they had already rejected forgeries under names such as Peter)

                    Irrelevant. Being right about one thing doesn’t mean being right about everything.

                    and Marcan priority was only hypothesised in the late 18th century,

                    And so was the germ theory of disease which I sincerely hope you buy into.

                    yet is still quite debated.

                    The existence of an argument doesn’t mean both sides are equally likely to be true.

                    Athiestic Bible scholars like it because it is useful for them to explain away the Bible.

                    Circumstantial ad homunium attack. Another logical fallacy. 4th by my count.

                    I suggest you read up on logic a bit before going further.