In commemoration of the upcoming Transgender Day of Visibility (TDOV), President Joe Biden issued a statement praising trans people’s contributions to society and describing actions his administration has taken to counter transphobic bullying and extremism. Additionally, many members of Biden’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) also issued their own statements affirming that community health depends on supporting trans people too.
“Transgender Americans are part of the fabric of our Nation,” Biden wrote in his statement. “Whether serving their communities or in the military, raising families or running businesses, they help America thrive. They deserve, and are entitled to, the same rights and freedoms as every other American, including the most fundamental freedom to be their true selves.”
Anyone telling you both sides same are either a bad actor or so incredibly privelleged that they can just not care about this kind of thing.
The problem isn’t that they are the same. The problem is one side is so bad that the other can do whatever they want, because “at least I’m not the other guy and first-past-the-post means you better fall in line and vote for me in November”.
Which is why it’s a shame that Biden said “trans people are disgusting and we really should execute all of them, but we won’t because it’s unconstitutional”
Oh wait, what? He didn’t say that? He made the greatest show of public support a President has ever made? Huh, curious. Anyway, let’s talk more about how bad Joe Biden is.
Which is why it’s a shame that Biden said “trans people are disgusting and we really should execute all of them, but we won’t because it’s unconstitutional”
Oh wait, what? He didn’t say that? He made the greatest show of public support a President has ever made? Huh, curious. Anyway, let’s talk more about how bad Joe Biden is.
he’s got a long history of fucking over lgbt and switched sides just to get the votes of the young and people who don’t pay attention; he’s 2-faced at best
Sources please
it takes less than 30 seconds on google to find biden’s record; so you’re clearly a sealion; but fortunately, the last time i fell for sealioning i created this response and i’m copying/pasting it here just in case anyone truly doesn’t know.
tldr: biden is a 2-faced politician that goes with whatever is popular atm. this meant that he was anti-lgbt when it was okay and is now suddenly pro-lgbt since that it’ll get him votes nowadays.
voted for anti-gay marriage in doma
voted to prevent gays in the military
his comments on anti-gay marriage in 2006
his support for banning lgbt in federal service in executive order 10450
You think Biden should have been vocally pro-trans thirty years ago? He would have been laughed out of office, if not physically attacked.
you should look up bernie sanders’ record and watch him not get laughed out of office and only get attacked by the police for it
Your reply is so off topic that I’m just gonna pretend you meant to reply to someone else.
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Change that L to a C and I’ll bring another box of Kleenex for us.
i like it when straight people overcompensate to try to make up for all thoroughly fucked up things they did to lgbt in the past; problem is biden did SO MUCH fucked up things to so many lgbt that he could keep keep trying to overcompensate for the rest of his life and still not even budge the karma scale.
still, though, it’s nice to see the effort and it would carry a lot more weight if he didn’t benefit from trying to do so during election season.
problem is biden did SO MUCH fucked up things to so many lgbt that he could keep keep trying to overcompensate for the rest of his life and still not even budge the karma scale.
What did he do?
it takes less than 30 seconds on google to find biden’s record, so i’m hoping you’re not a sealioning.
tldr: biden is a 2-faced politician that goes with whatever is popular atm. this meant that he was anti-lgbt when it was okay and is now suddenly pro-lgbt since that it’ll get him votes nowadays.
voted against gays in the military
affirmed his stance on anti-gay marriage in 2006
supported banning lgbt in federal service like executive order 10450
It’s not a great track record, for sure.
tldr: biden is a 2-faced politician
Sadly this bit is just redundant.
That said, when going with “what’s popular” happens to align with what’s right, that’s gotta be worth something.
I’m a 90s kid, so I grew up calling my friends all sorts of homophonic slurs. I’ve told some racist jokes in my day, thinking I was edgy.
None of this affected public policy, but I’ll say for sure my views have changed a lot over the last few decades.
Can we say for sure that bidens not just a “fair weather ally?” No I suppose not, but a fair weather ally is still an ally.
What’s popular? That’s literally what I want from a politician and nothing else. That is democracy defined.
They are not the same but they are almost the same. Identical on most important issues such as genocide, police power, prisons, wealth inequality,etc.
They just pick controversial topics that they know will divide people, so they can make us vote for them so the other side won’t win, while both couldn’t care less about anything but money in their pockets.
You know, usually when I read “both sides are the same”, it’s a blue conservative like you trying to make people critical of the Democratic party seem unreasonable.
Both sides are capitalist and conservative, but there are differences for sure. Dont you want more differences?
If you wanna really shut up those people removedhing from the sidelines, the best way to do so is to put them in the game! Force them to show us how to do things since it’s so easy and they have it figured out.
Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
So what’s the hold up blue states?
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
both sides same
Once side does some weak tea pandering in a Facebook post while the other disenfranchises 10,000 newly registered voters to rig a Constitutional Amendment vote.
The solution, as always, is to vote harder. And if we catch you showing disappoint while on your way to the election booth, we reserve the right to blame you for our clown car of corporate flak losers falling flat in the latest round of gerrymandered and voter caged elections.
Creating a national day of visibility == pandering on Facebook. It’s an official act and statement by the president of the United States that acknowledges and shines a light on the struggle of what is currently one of our most oppressed and murdered social groups.
These people really just can’t let someone say “hey maybe Joe Biden is obviously the better option to vote for.” It just really can’t be left alone without someone making a comment like the one I’m replying to right now. I see it in every thread
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My point is that Biden’s stance on trans rights is objectively better than Trump’s and therefore saying both sides are the same on this issue is just ignorant or bad faith discussion. I agree Biden could do better than he has. I’d still vote for him over trump in November if those are my only options.
These people really just can’t let someone say “hey maybe Joe Biden is obviously the better option to vote for.” It just really can’t be left alone without someone making a comment like the one I’m replying to right now. I see it in every thread
that’s because you’re either missing or dismissing the context of biden’s 2-faced behavior. he was one of the worst anti-lgbt polictians we’ve ever had in the modern era and it’s only recently that he’s switched sides once it became clear that screwing over lgbt wasn’t popular anymore just to get votes.
Wait, you mean he has evolved over time on the issue you’d like him to evolve on? Fuck him completely?
I said it in another comment, I agree Biden could do better on this topic. I also agree there are other candidates I’d rather vote for than Biden. But if we’re talking about Biden vs Trump, both sides are not the same, and it’s dangerous to several different communities to suggest so.
Wait, you mean he has evolved over time on the issue you’d like him to evolve on? Fuck him completely?
biden didn’t evolve; he switched once he realized that it was no longer popular to hate lgbt so he could get more votes
I said it in another comment, I agree Biden could do better on this topic. I also agree there are other candidates I’d rather vote for than Biden. But if we’re talking about Biden vs Trump, both sides are not the same, and it’s dangerous to several different communities to suggest so.
you’re the only one saying that both sides are the same; not me.
I won’t make claims to know why his stance has changed, I’ll leave the assumptions to you. All I know is him recognizing the trans day of visibility is an objectively positive outcome, and it wouldn’t happen under Trump.
You seem to be confused, as this whole time my point has been that both sides are not the same. I’m glad you agree with me on that.
the reason(s) why he’s switched speaks to to heart of whether he’s actually pro lgbtq and how much different, if at all, he is than trump on this issue.
biden anti-lgbtq body of work is literally decades long where other contemporary politicians were and are still not and it makes sense to question his genuineness since he’s very much in need of votes in this election and only changed his tune when it benefited him politically.
The solution, as always, is to vote harder.
Yes. That’s how democracy works.
Democracy’s broken. 😞
Comment of the day for me. Thanks.
Bad actors usually work for the government and if there’s anything the government is pressuring you to do is not voting for parties that aren’t part of the government (red or blue). If there’s anyone privileged here i would point my finger at americans, people getting bombed in gaza or in the middle east don’t even get to decide if they can live the day or not. Let’s not play the politicians game anyway, turning people against each others is one of their oldest trick in the book. If there’s anyone actually privileged in this world it’s them
Like the privileged Palestinians getting genocided by your centrist idol biden? This is the same biden who said that we need the republican party, by the way. Interesting that someone saying such flowery words about trans people is so strong in his belief that we need a party that is intent on erasing them. You’re complaining about "both sides"ism, but biden is “both sides” the candidate.
Good that the genocide commited on Palestinians is used universally to bash whoever we dont like.
Or derail any conversation.Truly a blessing. Sorry I meant disgusting.
Seriously, you know it’s a blessing because even as the tide has started to turn and more politicians are speaking out against it…well, now it’s too late so they’re still terrible and all the same.
Right?? Like, given the way things are trending, there’s a decent chance Biden will cut off aid to Isrsel. And then these fucks will find something else to complain about, because it was never about Gaza. It was about hurting Biden.
You know what’s really disgusting? Dismissing genocide. You can’t stand on a platform of morality when you ignore great evils in favor of flowery words. If you don’t want your precious candidate to be bashed for supporting genocide, here’s a brilliant idea: stop supporting genocide.
People being distracted from the President going online and saying “Trans Rights” by the purely immaterial spectacle of a 9/11’s worth of new dead Palestinians.
bad actor
Tell me how I’m wrong instead of throwing around meaningless labels.
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You’re either a troll or blind AF
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no one is doing that though
Substantiate this, motherfucker
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Legit question. Is sea lioning the same as trolling? Or is it more specific? I have only heard of the term recently.
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seems to me they are not saying they are the same, but that they are both doing bad things.
bothesidesing is not necessarily saying they are the same. i don’t recall ever seeing someone actually say both sides are the same.
that doesn’t say they are the same
Here’s 3 examples from just a single thread that I was a part of not too long ago (I’d have more but I don’t actively save threads/comments regarding this topic so this is from a thread I could find via my replies that wasn’t deleted).
Better not acknowledge this, I might be wrong lmao
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Maypull said very little in their response so, I’m sure you can add something if you try.
the first two certainly appear to be doing it, but without context, it is hard to say. the third explicitly said one is worse
The context is that it was a thread where people were debating whether people ever say that both sides are the same, which devolved into a debate over whether both sides are the same in some places. I’m not sure how saying they’re like Sarumon vs Sauron is explicitly saying one is worse in the third one, considering this was in response to a meme comparing them to Sarumon vs Gandalf. Aragorn in this comparison is their equivalent of a third party.
theses are all in the same thread? can you link it?
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I see it every day on socials.
oh? where?
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Here is you agreeing with a comment that includes the quote “How are they different from republicans? How is biden different than trump?” just yesterday
https://kolektiva.social/users/bigMouthCommie/statuses/112181807694426359
strictly, they are asking how they are different, not stating that they are the same.
i think this is probably a fair point, but i also think it’s notable that this person was at the end of a long conversation and clearly emotionally distraught. if you pointed out this thread to them, they’d say “of course they’re not the same, but neither is acceptable” or some variation. and i think that’s a fair position to have.
Then they should’ve just clearly pointed out their problems with Biden (Gaza) and then said that’s why they wouldn’t vote for him.
The only purpose of ever comparing the Republicans and the Democrats and implying they’re the same is to weaponize leftist hate for the Republicans against the Democrats, right before the most consequential election of the century so far.
Hi. I see today is your first day on the Internet. Welcome!
People have absolutely been doing that, I see it constantly here.
You yourself do that, constantly. But such lies are your kind’s bread and butter.
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He means trolls
With the benefit of the doubt, this statement is just incredibly ignorant. More likely it’s a straight-up lie though
can you show someone doing this?
Some examples for those reading:
“Both Sides Threaten Democracy”
“Biden Is Just As Bad As Trump”
Relevant wikipedia page:
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I see it plenty of times from Republicans. They either love trump or are saying that both sides are equally corrupted (typically when trump does something indefensible)
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Because one is orange and the other isn’t?
And no, they are not equally corrupt. But thank you for the self-report
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And you still aren’t. How brave. Are you by any chance a fan of Tim Pool?
Democrats have their bad apples, but Republicans are a totally different league.
Also when a scandal happens with a Democrat their voters don’t have any qualms with disowning them, while in the same scenario Republicans will be looking for excuses like the one mentioned above.
Is this your first day on Lemmy? Have you ever been on a lefty subreddit in your life?
this is rhetoric, not evidence
Username checks out
You’re right, @lemmywinks@discuss.online insists Trump is better
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Yeah, I’m sorry. To continue this conversation would be unfair to you.
They are exactly the same.
(bear with me folks, I just wanna see how the troll’s algorithm handles it)
All of the Fox News crowd are getting bent out of shape because it falls on the same day as Easter this year…can’t make this up.
Day of the eggs hatching? Seems appropriate.
Because their sense of identity is as frail as an egg?
Gottem.
Why are we celebrating men with two X chromosomes when we should be celebrating a man who was born to a virgin mother? He obviously wasn’t lgbt, he just convinced a bunch of men to ditch their wives and live in a traveling commune with him and no women.
But for real, they’re the ones whose day’s date changes.
You mean those people working on the Lords day?
If their religious holiday is incompatible with recognizing marginalized and vulnerable people in our society, then it’s a fucking shit religion.
I am a lover of both words and deeds. This issue needs a lot of bad laws rolled back, but it also needs to have this kind of thing being said at every level of society.
Just tiresome to read “Joe Biden becomes first president to wave a trans flag from the stairs of Air Force One” and then turn the page and read “Florida legislature passes the ‘Install Land Mines In Women’s Restrooms Act’ and funds it to the tune of $40M”
It’s more than tiresome, it’s a fucking holocaust in motion. I’m just taking the Ws where I can.
Religous fundamentalists setting the stage to seize control of the nation and institute a authoritarian government to carry out a genocide?
Sounds serious!
So when are democrats dropping gun control considering this imminent threat?
Armed queers bash back.
That word is being abused lately. Trans people aren’t being packed into trains and sent to gas chambers.
What’s happening to them isn’t ok and laws need to protect their rights like everyone elses, make no mistake about it but conflating it with the Holocaust, doesn’t help the victims make progress. We need to use accurate language to combat the inflammatory language being used by the bigots trying to limit Trans rights IMO.
That word is being abused lately. Trans people aren’t being packed into trains and sent to gas chambers.
Just cause we’re not there yet doesnt mean we’re not heading there
So it’s not in action. It’s just attempted. Or being planned for.
You’re not wrong but we should still use the correct language so that when we actually get somewhere nasty, the language isn’t diminished beyond the point of usefulness.
My bad, the word I was looking for is genocide
Ya, still losing it’s meaning with the overuse and weaponization of the word.
What it means is “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group”. The GOP is definitely trying to create a world without trans people by any means necessary, so unless your quibble is that trans isn’t an ethnic group, I don’t see how I’m misusing that word.
Which is not happening yet, although they want it to be.
Are you claiming that not providing the medical care to transition is akin to deliberate killing?
Cuz even the most Liberal courts are going to struggle with that one…
They’re not an ethnic group, and unless everyone in the United States are trans, it doesn’t apply. Persecuted, discriminated, yes. Genocide, no.
you and your sane logic
Absolutely, but that’s not something the president has powers over. We need Congress to pass a law that allows the federal government to crack down hard on states doing this. And we need a Congress to removed slap the Supreme Court back into actually following the Constitution and not being a right wing mouthpiece.
Messaging and signaling are both important. We just have to be wary of when people are disingenuous. There’s value in introducing progressive legislation like how Sanders and AOC do even if it isn’t going to pass, just like there’s value here in affirming that trans people are people who matter.
Put it on the record. Make them write down what’s happening. Keep those receipts.
If there was a Joe Biden bingo card, “fabric of our nation” would be on it.
he needs (a) new speech writer(s)
It’s a thing with political messaging to keep the messages similar. Honestly it works pretty well with “fabric.” You can only have so many backbones, but you can weave new threads into fabric to make something beautiful, etc
“part of the fabric” not “the fabric”
I’m an ally, but at the end of the day let’s not over conflate statements. It doesn’t serve anyone a favor.
Or apply to all groups, but I agree, not to any one group.
attaboy, Joe… set the example that makes this Nation great… i’m proud i voted for you…
You are going a bit too far with being proud, since he openly sidestepped congress to fund genocide in Gaza.
if you voted for anyone else, you don’t know what it means to be proud of your vote, so your opinion doesn’t mean shit
You should never be proud of voting for someone, they are all crooks.
you are a slave
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exactly… an ignorant slave, and you don’t even realize it… you don’t know what it means to be proud of your vote, so you also don’t know what it means to take responsibility for your vote… if you have no responsibility for your vote, you are a slave…
Sorry mister educated high-class. Shame the poor slaves that are too stupid to fight for their rights. You as an educated high class society man should tell us poor slaves how we should vote for some rich morons that have only their rich pockets in interests. We, ignorant slaves, shouldn’t even be allowed to vote, if we can’t even be proud for voting for some idiot high-class fascist such as you.
I am glad you got to vote for the person that best represents you. Why not the rest of us as well?
Doing away with first past the post voting will allow people to vote third party with no spoiler effect. More people voting = more democratic votes.
Can someone explain why blue states are still using FPTP voting?
Can someone explain why blue states are still using FPTP voting?
Because if only blue states get rid if FPTP and no red states, Republicans will gain a lot more power in government. They’d have a lock on the Presidency forever and possibly a permanent majority in both houses of Congress.
If all states did it, Democrats (and the new leftist coalition in general) would gain more power, but probably only a constitutional convention could force the red states to abandon FPTP.
I think this guy theodewere perfectly shows the classic liberal mindset in his insults towards me in the comments here and disdain for the poor and uneducated he has for no reason but to shame them. This is shows the true values of the liberals that pretend to care about the weak and being so highly upvoted it is clear that many agree, but don’t really want to be that open about it.
I really don’t care.
i got to vote for an honest man, who cares about his fellow Americans, and who makes friends all over the world… and he makes all our enemies whine like little removed…
So generous of Biden to give Fox News something to cry 24/7 around the clock about.
That is part of the strategy of both parties for decades now, to talk about controversial issues that don’t affect our lives as much as wars and economy, so that we get busy arguing about these things instead of seeing that we have very important common goals as people vs the politicians. A classic divide and conquer strategy.
There is one less bomb…so both sides are not equal.
Said ironically and factually.
That’s really weird because neither of these planes detail that indisputable fact that one party is currently and has been trying to install a dictator for about 6 years now.
Statistically incorrect but he’s got the correct attitude.
EDIT: Just a bad headline, no surprise.
lol
I wish democrat politicians would stop with their propaganda on lemmy. Like it is anything new that some politician lies and pretends to care about minorities while funding the actual genocide. There classic liberal distraction tricks from more urgent issues don’t work on anyone who thinks for themselves.
…fabric is a thing. Is he Calling them things!?
It’s just words
Words matter
Politician’s words are worthless
A large portion of the United States now believes the 2020 election was stolen, and that’s all due to words. Words have impact.
What I meant was that they are always lies. They don’t represent reality in any way. Biden doesn’t care about Trans people no more then Trump believes elections were stolen. They just say those lies to get people to support them and then they hurt those same people when they get what they want.
Please just STFU and let us (trnas people) have a brief distraction from all the hatred.
I’m not sure how much solace we should take from inauthentic political posturing, but we should certainly try to use being a political football to our advantage (since we can’t help that we’ve been victimized this way, but we can try to make something of the national spotlight being put on us).
To that end I think it’s beneficial for us to raise our standards and demand more than just words from politicians claiming to be supportive allies. Biden wants to be seen as supporting trans folks? Well, we demand the VA cover gender affirming surgeries. That’s a specific transphobic VA policy that needs to be overturned, and Biden can show he’s an ally by doing something about it.
Yes, but appreciating a comment like this, especially in a political environment where a large portion of country, including a good chunk of Bidens voter base, are openly transphobic, does not mean we can’t also call for more substantial action.
Especially if we acknowledge that due the to the current makeup of the house and the senate, Biden is pretty much powerless to put though any pro-trans legislation, so really the best we can (realistically) hope for is a change in the narrative towards the positive.
And hell, it’s better than what we have in the UK where our “”“left wing”“”" leader refuses to support trans people.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply we shouldn’t still appreciate when the president of the United States calls trans people the “fabric of our nation”, I think the words themselves are undeniably good.
I was only trying to say we shouldn’t shut down criticism of those acts as realpolitik, especially if as a community we can possibly leverage that kind of criticism to help accomplish our own political ends.
It is bizarre to me that the UK has somehow slid even further right than the U.S. in some ways, considering the U.S. is somewhat known for that political brand (where our “left” is still right of the conservative Christian Democratic party in Germany).
Labour has straight up moved to the right of Democrats at this point which is crazy
Dunno which country you’re from, but there is no “Labour” party in America.
But it’s words that not saying indicates that he’s not willing to keep fighting for us. And he has done things for us.
Just like when he SAID he supports Human Rights in Palestine!
Why are people downvoting you when you are 100% right.
Hahaha what the fuck
literally what I said lmao
