• RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world
    291·
    1 hour ago

    “IT people” here, operations guy who keeps the lights on for that software.

    It’s been my experience developers have no idea how the hardware works, but STRONGLY believe they know more then me.

    Devops is also usually more dev than ops, and it shows in the availability numbers.

    • Jestzer@lemmy.world
      11·
      48 minutes ago

      Yup. Programmers who have only ever been programmers tend to act like god’s gift to this world.

    • ValiantDust@feddit.org
      5·
      46 minutes ago

      As a developer I can freely admit that without the operations people the software I develop would not run anywhere but on my laptop.

      I know as much about hardware as a cook knows about his stove and the plates the food is served on – more than the average person but waaaay less than the people producing and maintaining them.

    • ChillPenguin@lemmy.world
      1·
      7 minutes ago

      I work on a team with mainly infrastructure and operations. As one of the only people writing code on the team. I have to appreciate what IT support does to keep everything moving. I don’t know why so many programmers have to get a chip on their shoulder.

    • ArbiterXero@lemmy.world
      2·
      29 minutes ago

      As a devops manager that’s been both, it depends on the group. Ideally a devops group has a few former devs and a few former systems guys.

      Honestly, the best devops teams have at least one guy that’s a liaison with IT who is primarily a systems guy but reports to both systems and devops. Why?

      It gets you priority IT tickets and access while systems trusts him to do it right. He’s like the crux of every good devops team. He’s an IT hire paid for by the devops team budget as an offering in exchange for priority tickets.

      But in general, you’re absolutely right.

      • magikmw@lemm.ee
        1·
        20 minutes ago

        Am I the only guy that likes doing devops thatbhas both dev and ops experience and insight? What’s with silosing oneself?

  • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
    3·
    46 minutes ago

    That’s how I look at 90% of the shit “systems” I’m forced to interact with (xiaomi’s MIUI, banking apps, govt apps, apps that should’ve been fucking websites, websites that “gently nudge” you to use the app, electron apps that are windows only)

  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
    91·
    1 hour ago

    I don’t get it. And I’ve been both.

    Is it about how some software shouldn’t need the resources that they demand for?