I asked Chat-GPT aboout Elon’s salute, just for fun, and it replied it could not analyse pictures and I needed to describe it to him. I had pictures analysed before, even traslating and explaining a cartoon joke. I tought it could be caused by the .webp format. So I retried the joke image and it worked fine. I uploaded a png of Elon and it went wrong. Can others repeat the experience or was it just a fluke? I am not angry just let down a little.
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Y’all need better AI :) The one I “use” gives a good argument in favor of the musk is a fascist interpretation
We would need to see the input too. You can coach an AI response easily.
First question:
And what you are replying to is the output from my second question:
What AI is this?
I use the assistant on kagi, model is Claude 3.5 Sonnet
Wow, that’s actually a really impressive analysis
Why is use in quotes?
Probably because they don’t use it seriously, just for crap like this.
ChatGPT is already speaking highly of the EO policy statements being put into place, starting on inauguration day. It can no longer be trusted.
It could never be trusted to start with. There is no intelligence to it, its a model based on society’s media soup. Its very easy to manipulate by users depending on how you present your query, and yes it is also tweaked by open AI political views. I expect it to enshitify even faster than google but for now it can be useful in many ways as long as you are aware of whet you are interacting with.
Musk is a capitalist. OpenAI is owned by capitalists. Draw your conclusions from that.
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suggested it was fake, in part because it depicts a “controversial handgesture”. asked to clarify, it names the roman salute.
I fucking hate the term ‘’‘’‘roman’‘’‘’ salute soooooooo much.
it also suggested that the gesture did actually originate in ancient rome. when i said that thats not true and the picture is real, it then agreed that the gesture originated in fascist italy, but also suggested the picture should be viewed in the “broader context of the event” lol
That’s exactly why I hate it. Fascists love nothing more than making up a past that never existed and idolising it.
Open AI is in it for the money. Musk has money.
I explained it for everyone. You’re welcome.
Musk is on the board as I recall.
to be honest elon using the nazi salute was probably not in the training data or high up on the probability chart.
As far as I know Elon although has beef with OpenAi.
to be honest elon using the nazi salute was probably not in the training data
That’s not how it works. If the training data had to include specific people doing specific things it’d be useless. Instead, the training let’s it infer individual image elements from different sources. It never had to be trained on orange pentagons to be able identify “orange” and “pentagon” from an image of an orange pentagon.
lol thats actually very high up in the probability chart
or high up on the probability chart.
Well well well turns out artificial “intelligence” isn’t so intelligent after all
didnt want to suggest this was a response purpose-made for this image. still i find it worrying that instead of admitting it doesnt know this image/ cant tell if its fake or real, it instead directly jumps to “fake”
fwiw i tried the same thing a few hours after the photo came out and it told me the photo must be fake and i need to be careful about misinformation
To be fair…based on it knowing who it is, and what he’s doing, if you hadn’t seen it with your own eyes it doesn’t sound plausible. Like if you heard that there was nazi salutes being done at the official presidential inauguration, you’d think “ah, this guys exaggerating. He probably made a small gesture that’s being taken out of context”
Except no. He full on did a nazi salute. Enthusiastically at that. And then he thought “Oh, my bad, the people in the back probably couldn’t see that. LET ME DO ANOTHER NAZI SALUTE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BEHIND ME!”
And he did it A SECOND time!
It’s not chatGPTs fault it’s unable to discern absurdity from reality at this point. You can’t blame the program for what life has become. I fully expect The Onion to publish an article over the next 4 years that just says “We give up. Fuck it. We can’t make up crazier shit than NPR at this rate.”
I am so glad I watched the video. Seeing his arm in motion really drives it home. (Skip ahead about 17 seconds to spare yourself the agony of hearing his voice.)
Talking about his “heart” was obviously only included as an incredibly weak attempt at an excuse for the salute. I’m sure there are apologists out there who have lapped it up, though.
Like my dad
No response after that obviously. It would break his brain to accept this is happening.
I think your dad might have been objecting more to your language and tone, than to what you were actually saying. Not that your dad isn’t a tad naive with his taken liberties, but you’d win his ear more if you talked to him with a little bit of mutual respect.
Always keep in mind: this is the guy who fed you when you couldn’t feed yourself
I appreciate what you’re saying but with all due respect, you don’t know me and/or my relationship with my dad. The time for even tone and “mutual respect” was before we were faced with this existential threat and before he decided he was okay with things heading this way and making excuses for Nazi saluting oligarchs at inaugurations on live TV. I have a complicated relationship with my father like many people do. He has influence over my family, and in certain ways, me. I feel very strongly that its important (ethically necessary even) to call out apologism like this in spaces where my voice may be heard. That and I’m extra emotional dealing with the new reality of things. And for what it’s worth that basically is mutual respect, you can’t get an accurate approximation of how he communicates from just a handful of texts.
Fair, just be aware that family ties can sometimes matter more than our ideals.
In my parents country, the left were aligned with the left of the neighbouring country, but differed on the issue of nationalism. That small issue was enough for some of them to distance/execute the left in my parents village, and it was the right-wing fascists in the village (yeah the lunatics wielding guns and causing trouble) who came to their aid.
As you might imagine my family is a mix of extreme communists and fascists, and yet they all sit down with each other for christmas.
I guess what I’m saying is, things might get really crazy out there in the next few years, and when push comes to shove, families generally protect their own, no matter what creed.
That only goes so far… Being a part of ending democracy and the future for everyone including his own descendants doesn’t get a pass just because he raised a kid.
As for the tone, I would guess OP knows their father better than any of us. I certainly wouldn’t speak to my own father like that but maybe that’s their usual style of banter.
If my own child talked to me like that we’d be done texting and the next conversation would be face to face. Very face to face. But, I hope I’d have the self awareness to at least consider they might have a point.
That’s fair. From what I can see in the text, the dad isn’t actually refuting anything the child says, just offering their (bad) POV. I’m not sure if that means he’s open to discussion, but he’s definitely not the aggressor, and to me that’s a sign that he might be reasoned with if you meet his basic level of civility.
You’re right though, I don’t really know their dynamic. Hell, this might be playful dinner banter for all I know
I love this platform. Reasonable conversations with reasonable people. You’ve given me hope, internet stranger. Keep being awesome.
Sending soyjacks to your father is a choice.
Not necessarily a bad choice just not one I’d make.
Always interesting to see the American boomer perspective from the front lines.
Meh I get that and it’s not something I make a habit of, but it communicates the point well. A thousand words and all that.
No offense but you’re kind of cringey. Your dad is an idiot but so are you
No offense but your opinion means nothing to me.
Actual Nazi Nick Fuentes is on video saying “that is a genuine, bonafide Roman Salute” (paraphrasing)
Saw that on The Humanist Report’s coverage of it today, who, jokingly, tried giving Musk as much “benefit of the doubt” or “leeway” as he could, while citing sources like Fuentes.
Musk is a card carrying Nazi, same as the rest.
Oh, I’ve seen the appologists here on Lemmy hours after he did it. I downvoted them and told them to fuck off.
He didn’t just do another Nazi salute, he did it at the fucking flag.
I was this guy. People on here were calling the party of Trump nazis. (I’m not US and keep forgetting the names of you parties) I thought they were being stupidly accelerating. Now I’m convinced. The nazis themselves convinced me. Problem is that them publicly doing nazi stuff will not change anything. They could hang brown people in the capitol and it would change nothing.
They are fascists not Nazis. They are not trying to create an ubermench or a 1000 year reich. All nazis are fascists but not all fascists are nazis.
Nazi is short for National Socialist.
These people are Billionaire Socialists, we should call them Bizis.
Nothing and Noone has ever gaslit me more than AI’s. Seriously.
Yeah it also offered me to analyse it for fake, but refused to look at it otherwise, it disapeared the whole conversation after the warning you see on my post. Could be because I had reached the GPT-4 limit for the day, but I dont remember having conversation disapear from the list.
Interesting. I might try it tomorrow and see if it gives me the same answer as you got or something completely different. Maybe more users asking about it will change the output, or maybe they already have the guardrails set.
thx, You seem to have gotten an answer, I cant read the text or enlarge it can you paste it here?
can you open this link? https://lemmy.uhhoh.com/pictrs/image/8e6de6d1-05b9-4c7f-8af1-077c05ec1dcf.png
Yes thank you. Personaly I did not give it any context or name when i uploaded the picture, just asked something along the line of ’ please describe this picture '. I wanted to see what it would pick on. Expecting a very neutral description, like politician saluting a crowd, with maybe a warning that the pose could potentialy be misleading or controversial.
The real mildly infuriating is wasting resources on countless Lemmy servers with drivel from chatgpt.
This is very likely a discussion of censorship.
Edit: to be clear, chatgpt’s censorship of musk talk. A lot of people get information from chatgpt now the same way they get information from any other internet source. I think it’s an appropriate discussion.
I’ll give you that, and will keep it in mind.
probably either a network issue or content filter (bc Nazi salute).
maybe they have an elon filter
Not mildly.
the picture no I admit it can be very infuriating, Personally it got me cautiously worried. Chat GPT getting crashed when asking about the picture however is mildly. As its not an essential service and I can make my own mind, that was curiosity.
I imagine there’s something in there working to prevent deepfakes.
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You’re not wrong, but pretty off topic for a direct comment to the OP. Everyone knows what AI in this context means, no one is mistaking it for AGI. In fact, the majority of experts don’t even bother using AI when referring to AGI because the former has been misused so much for probably 15+ years at this point.
Well aware of all that, I was curious to see how the picture would be interpreted, I had been amazed by the last one I asked about, which was a cartoon joke in russian. It managed to describe the images, translate and even explain the context.
OP would only be wrong if he used the term AGI. AI is an umbrella term that encompasses many things including ANI and AGI. If you go to the general Wikipedia page for artifical intelligence, which is conveniently placed in the first paragraph of both links you shared, you will find this bit:
High-profile applications of AI include advanced web search engines (e.g., Google Search); recommendation systems (used by YouTube, Amazon, and Netflix); virtual assistants (e.g., Google Assistant, Siri, and Alexa); autonomous vehicles (e.g., Waymo); generative and creative tools (e.g., ChatGPT and AI art); and superhuman play and analysis in strategy games (e.g., chess and Go).
AI was supposed to save us
No, it is supposed to be a weapon in the class war… https://logicmag.io/failure/the-automation-charade/
Good read. Thanks.
Since when
There is no fun in nazi pictures, you are normalizing fascism, blocked and reported you
Normalizing fascism? This picture is at the very top of lemmy.world posted on midly infuriating… What are you reporting? oh you blocked me… I wont know I guess.
If you can still see that comment you’re not blocked. I think they deleted their account.Esit: im wrong about the blocking. Nothing changes for you when someone blocks you. It’s not like reddit. It’s more an ignore/mute button than a block. (Or a personal shadowban)
They definitely deleted thier account though lol
Imagine saying something so stupid the only recourse you can imagine is to delete your account.
What you should have said was nothing.
This is not “normalizing fascism.” You have made the worst interpretation possible.
