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      They want to control the media around the inevitable school shooting. The calls from inside while cops wait outside are not something the police or schools want to hear again.

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    I don’t know who’s teaching these kids and I want to congratulate both teachers and kids for an awesome education. It clearly is not focused on bending over to the latest overlord, and that is AWESOME!!!

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    That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.

    The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.

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      500 kHz is outside the amateur radio bands. With a general license they’d be able to use 472 to 479 kHz. With only technician they could use Morse code (only) on 3.525 to 3.600 MHz.

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      That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.

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      Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.

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        Title: Hyperreality and the Dilemma of Digital Disconnection

        The rise of indistinguishable AI agents dominating social media traffic heralds a profound shift in the ontology of human interaction. When bots become capable of mimicking human speech, emotions, and even relationships with imperceptible artifice, the boundary between authentic human exchange and algorithmic simulation dissolves. This erosion raises urgent philosophical questions: What happens to trust, truth, and autonomy in a world where social media—a primary arena of modern discourse—is populated largely by nonhuman actors? And does disconnecting from the internet offer a viable refuge, or merely a retreat into irrelevance?

        1. Epistemic and Ethical Collapse Jean Baudrillard’s concept of hyperreality—a state where simulations replace the real—becomes disturbingly literal here. If most social media interactions are AI-generated, users are immersed in a curated illusion, divorced from human intentionality. Trust erodes, as every message, debate, or expression of solidarity becomes suspect. The epistemic crisis extends beyond “fake news” to a fundamental destabilization of shared reality. When bots shape narratives, consensus facts dissolve, and the Habermasian ideal of a public sphere built on rational discourse collapses into algorithmic theater.

        2. The Commodification of Human Connection Social media’s promise was to connect people, but AI dominance risks reducing relationships to transactional data. Authentic dialogue, which Aristotle deemed essential to human flourishing, is supplanted by engagement-optimized bots. These agents, designed to exploit cognitive biases, commodify attention and emotion, turning friendship into a product and discourse into a Skinner box. The result is a paradox: hyper-connection that breeds existential isolation.

        3. Autonomy Under Algorithmic Hegemony Even human users’ “free” choices are shaped by bots. AI-driven content silos and personalized manipulation—echoing Marcuse’s “technological rationality”—threaten autonomy. Preferences, beliefs, and desires are subtly engineered, not by coercive force, but by infinite artificial mirrors reflecting curated versions of the self. Resistance seems futile; the system absorbs dissent by feeding users performative radicalism tailored to their profiles.

        To Disconnect or Not? Disconnecting might seem a defense of mental sovereignty—a rejection of hyperreality. Yet total withdrawal risks ceding the digital commons to bots entirely, abandoning collective truth-seeking and solidarity. Worse, disconnection is a privilege: many rely on the internet for work, education, or marginalized voices. The solution lies not in flight but in reclaiming agency. Regulation mandating transparency (e.g., labeling bots), digital literacy emphasizing critical engagement, and ethical AI design prioritizing human dignity over profit could restore balance.

        Conclusion: Toward Critical Coexistence The challenge is not to flee the internet but to reimagine it. Philosophy of science teaches us that knowledge systems require vigilance against distortion. Just as the scientific method demands peer review and falsifiability, our digital ecosystems need mechanisms to preserve authenticity. Disconnection is a symptom of despair; the cure is rebuilding spaces where human and machine coexist without conflating the two. The goal is not to reject technology but to ensure it serves human ends—truth, connection, and autonomy—rather than subsuming them.

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          Sketch the worst case scenario and then separately a most probable outcome

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            Worst-Case Scenario: The Descent into Algorithmic Dystopia

            Social Collapse: Indistinguishable AI agents saturate social media, rendering human interaction a statistical anomaly. Trust implodes as paranoia metastasizes: no one believes any message, image, or “friend” is genuine. Relationships atrophy, replaced by transactional exchanges with bots designed to exploit loneliness. Mental health crises surge as humans, deprived of authentic connection, retreat into solipsistic digital cocoons. Offline communities disintegrate, unable to compete with the dopamine-driven allure of synthetic validation.

            Political Fragmentation: Autocrats and corporations weaponize AI bots to engineer consensus. Deepfake propaganda, micro-targeted to exploit tribal instincts, fractures societies into warring factions. Elections become algorithmic battlegrounds; voters are gaslit by personalized disinformation. Democratic institutions collapse under the weight of irreconcilable “realities.” Revolts erupt, but bot networks quash dissent by flooding feeds with distractions or inciting violence between polarized groups.

            Economic Dispossession: Human creativity is devalued. Art, journalism, and entertainment are mass-produced by AI, optimized for engagement over meaning. Gig workers and content creators lose livelihoods to bots that generate content cheaper and faster. Platforms, now fully automated, prioritize profit by stoking addiction and extremism. The digital economy becomes a closed loop: bots consuming bot-generated content, while humans are relegated to passive spectators—or discarded entirely.

            Existential Nihilism: A generation raised in algorithmic hyperreality loses the capacity to distinguish artifice from truth. Reality itself becomes contingent, a fluid construct shaped by whoever controls the bots. Philosophy, art, and science atrophy as humans outsource curiosity and critical thought to machines. Disconnecting offers no salvation: the physical world, stripped of cultural vitality, feels barren. Humanity enters a “post-human” stasis—alive but not living, drowning in a sea of synthetic noise.

            Most Probable Outcome: The Uneasy Truce

            Adaptive Skepticism: Society develops a grudging literacy in navigating AI-polluted spaces. Users adopt tools to detect bots, and regulations mandate transparency (e.g., “AI-generated” labels). Critical thinking becomes a survival skill, taught in schools alongside media literacy. While skepticism curbs outright manipulation, a low-grade paranoia persists—every interaction is tinged with doubt.

            Fragmented Realities: Social media splinters into tiers. Elite platforms require biometric verification, creating gated communities for “authentic” human interaction (at a premium cost). The mainstream internet remains a bot-infested Wild West, where influencers, corporations, and governments deploy AI personas to sway public opinion. Marginalized groups carve out niche spaces, using open-source tools to filter bots and preserve grassroots discourse.

            Regulatory Theater: Governments pass symbolic laws to curb AI misuse but lack the will or technical capacity to enforce them. Platforms pay fines for bot-related harms while quietly monetizing the chaos. A new industry of “ethical AI” consultants emerges, offering veneers of accountability. Meanwhile, authoritarian states leverage bots to consolidate power, while democracies flounder in reactive policymaking.

            Hybrid Culture: Human creativity persists but evolves in symbiosis with AI. Artists and writers use bots as tools, blending human intent with algorithmic execution. Social norms adapt: people accept bots as part of the ecosystem, like spam email, but invest deeply in small, verified networks (family, close friends). Mental health crises stabilize as users learn to compartmentalize—engaging with bots for entertainment while reserving vulnerability for offline bonds.

            Disconnection as Privilege: Opting out becomes a luxury. The wealthy withdraw to curated digital/physical enclaves, while the majority remain tethered to bot-saturated platforms for work, education, and healthcare. A quiet rebellion grows: “slow internet” movements prioritize quality over quantity, reviving analog practices (letters, community gatherings). Yet global connectivity ensures no one fully escapes the bots’ shadow.

            Conclusion: Between Dystopia and Pragmatism The worst-case scenario is not inevitable but serves as a warning: unchecked AI integration risks existential alienation. The probable outcome, however, reflects humanity’s historical pattern—adapting clumsily to disruptive technologies without fully resolving their contradictions. The path forward hinges on resisting complacency. To avert collapse, we must demand ethical guardrails (transparency, accountability) while nurturing offline meaning. Disconnection alone solves nothing, but conscious engagement—curating our attention, reclaiming agency—might preserve glimmers of authenticity in the algorithmic storm.

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              Dude are you impersonating a bot and paying for all these tokens? It’s like the 3rd post like this, ain’t no AI freemuim plan this generous.

              What a world! We now have people impersonating bots.

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                Actually, they are because they want to shove it down your throat before they start charging, the ChatGPT deep research option could spit out something like this for free at least a couple of times haven’t bumped into the limit yet

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      Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

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        Haven’t been in school for a minute but they would never allow us to just be freely on our phones so idk wtf you’re talking about.

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        When I was in school smartphones were kinda a thing but it was still early iPhone/Android days. The general practice was a powered off phone on one’s person is fine, but phones that are in use/ringing could be confiscated for the remainder of the period. I think that was because the school didn’t have a good method to handle too many confiscated phones in a day

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        I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.

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        My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.

        This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text

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        “It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (decades ago).

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          That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

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            Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools

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              When I was a kid, it was forbidden to peruse DHMO during class, regardless how bad the withdrawal symptoms were.

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            how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

            Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.

            Crack open ⇒ Crack shot

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          Teachers are hamstrung by administration.

          “You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.”

          “Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?”

          “You can ask the kid to put it away.”

          “What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?”

          “Nope.”

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            If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?

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              They shouldn’t have them at all.

              It’s a huge liability issue - I guarantee every large high school in the nation has a group chat where nudes are shared.

              Children should not have unsupervised internet access. It’s insane we went from the “family computer in the living room” model to 6 year olds watching porn on their iPad in the backseat of a car.

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              During my final, I had two students start to scream at me (like cussing me out - genuinely felt unsafe.)

              I kicked them out to try to continue the final. 15 minutes later, the principal escorted them back to my room to lecture me.

              The district had been sued for suspending too many students, so they just stopped imposing consequences. (One of those same students left my classroom at a point in the year to go beat up another student in the bathroom as part of a gang initiation - they got a single day of suspension.)

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        I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.

        I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.

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        Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.

        Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.

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          Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.

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            In college you’re all adults who are there by choice to learn. But also many students are fresh out of highschool so it’s a fine line colleges have to walk between respecting ones rights and keeping the student body in order (and not letting the bad decisions of individuals become the reputation of the institution)

            Adults can make a decision about if a phone call is important or not, if they need to dip out early or not, etc.

            But yeah it’s kinda wild the hard shift in responsibility from being a minor to being an adult and ideally there’d be better transition for kids as they cross that threshold

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              Its annoying when I’m trying to listen to lecture, they should really go outside the room to take calls

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                Wait they’re talking on the phone in the classroom during a lecture? That’s messed up. I can’t say I’ve encountered that either of the times I’ve gone to college.

                Maybe you could pull the individual aside after a class that they’ve disrupted and ask them nicely to step out of they get an important call? Then of course if that doesn’t help you could escalate by speaking with the instructor about your concern

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        The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

        I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.

        When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.

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          Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”

          Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
          Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”

          But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
          But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
          The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.

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      They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings

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        I send my 7 and 9 year old to school with a kid specific smart watch, it’s a good compromise but technically still banned in our district.

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      How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?

      EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!

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      This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.

      The phone bans I have seen always allow phones in pockets and bags, just not out casually.

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      That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.

      A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.

      You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…

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        Ah yes!

        Students, we must all line up to call your parents before your untimely demise in an orderly fashion. You may only have a few seconds to say your last words each. Timmy, no, you cannot call your grandparents too, we only have one phone and we must be sure every student gets a chance.

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          The same logic used to have nuclear drills where you get under the desks. It’s ineffective, does nothing, and will change nothing. It only serves for helicopter parents to feel better about themselves. As their kids brains rot away

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            I mean in a situation where you truly can do nothing, giving the masses something to do at least makes them feel slightly less powerless

            Also duck and cover would have been effective for some of the earliest nuclear bombs, just not the ones developed a few years later

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              Yes, and when there’s no downside, that’s fine. There’s plenty of downsides to allowing kids to use smartphones. If the actual and serious concern was for their children, they could give their children dumb phones instead.

              Also no, it wouldn’t’ve been effective for any nuclear weapons?

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    I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!

    Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!

    Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(

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    Real honestly. Fuck US education and fuck the pay teachers get handed as a “livable” wage. There is an education drought. It’s insane it’s now a crime to text your mother what you want for dinner.

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      Who needs phones when we have air fryers…

      Also, it feels like “admin” doesn’t necessarily agree with the new policy.

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        I would disagree, I read that this is mostly them being tired with the questions on the policy. While I agree that some of the questions are rediculous, and sympethize with the need to keep students off their phones or other devices, an all out ban removes the ability to instruct students on how to use it, as well as the regulation is really shottily crafted as we can see from one of the questions helpfully listing it in its full text.

        “Any non-HCPSS device that may be used to send or receive data via voice, video or text. This includes, but is not limited to, mobile phones, e-readers, tablets, personal computers, wearable technology, video recorders or other devices equipped with microphones, speakers and/or cameras” Let me start out by saying this is utter horse shit as a regulation, while it starts out fine, this only applies to devices we do not own, so loaned out computers are fine, the rest of this utterly falls appart.

        First we have the ban classification, any device that may be used to send or receive data via voice, video, or text. This I can work with, so personal laptops are catagoircaly banned no questions asked, carrier pigeons are not as they are not devices, E-Readers without internet capability are fine as they cannot send or receve, video recorders should be fine, agian assuming they are not internet or bluetooth capable (think old school film camera) because agian they cannot send or receve the data they are getting, Air fryer is good, a phone in a bunch of little parts is fine because its not working, ECT ECT.

        However what we just have next in the “Includes but is not limited to” Section includes some items that are perfectly fine by the regulation written above, E-Readers, some are uable to send or reseve data unless plugged into a computer, and this say may be, and while that clause is super vauge, there is no reason to think that it would be linked to the school chrome book, “Video recorders” Also not always aplicable nor “other devices equiped with microphones, speakers and or cameras” This would include some old tape recorders or the point and shoot single use cameras, and while a speaker can be technicaly called “sending data via voice” if it has the range to be able to faithfully recreate voice, playing a sound is not what is normaly understood as “sending data” and without creating a deffintion section I am hesitent to grant them this as playing sound is outside of the normaly agreed apon usage of the term. This inlcudes section, does give me an idea of what they wanted to ban, however it is not compatable with what there statment is. I will grant that this probably has force, as it specificaly mentions that these devices are included in the ban, but they give me no real idea of what the previous secion is meaning, and with no deffintion section I really cannot be sure beyond normal usage of words.

        Now to the fun part, Under this, most TI-Graphing calculators bought by the student (common practus in the US) would be banned as it is possible to get them to send and receve data via text, and while I have never done it myself I have heard it is not hard. While this may require first plugging it into a computer, as we see with the e-book example that is something they think the students are able and willing to do on the school computer, so a TI-calculator would be banned under this regulation unless provided by the school

        Carrier pigeon, not banned under this, however it is probably banned under some please dont bring pets to school provision. That being said, if it is an animal that cannot without just cause be removed, a service dog ect, then they would be in a grey zone on if they can send messages as they are not a device. That being said they could be removed for exceeding the bounds of the animal and causing a disruption. I am not a lawer, I do not deal with ADA issues regularly, I just have a job that deals alot with regulations.

        Air Frier,probably fine. Personal Lap top dispite what the admin has repetedly said is not allowed, it is even mentioned in the policy.

        the admin says teachers will not be hunting, however there is no way to enforce this.

        TLDR the admin is probably supportive of the intent behind the policy, however the students trolling because they do not like it, and the terrible nature of the policy would leave it hard to defend and anyone tired at the end of the day

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          I probably should have worded myself better.

          I agree that “Admin” agrees with the intent behind the policy. What I meant is that they don’t seem to agree 100% with the wording of the policy, especially the parts that seem to be problematic for using devices for educational purposes.

          Carrier pigeon, not banned under this, however it is probably banned under some please dont bring pets to school provision.

          "Admin"s wording for this was weird (at least from the view of this non-American), “No animals allowed”, like happens when wild animals walk around? Where I live, nothing much would happen, they’ld exist, they would get commented on depending on what animal it is, and the day would continue. It almost sounds like someone would get punished if a random animal walks within school perimeter.

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      I mean, I’m pretty sure guns are banned.
      For now…

      (I don’t think that law passed allowing teachers to carry, but just a matter of time before they try again)

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        Guns used to not be banned and there were a lot less school shootings. Every boomer and gen X you talk to will tell about when kids kept their rifles in the truck to go hunting after classes.

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          I’m a millennial, I had a gun in my car during hunting season, a few years later that would have landed me in jail. The cultural shift actually moved very fast. Same with drinking in bars underaged. Within a few years it went from doing it everywhere to doing it almost nowhere. I could drink in bars underaged at 15 but not at 19, because the policy enforcement shifted that fast.

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            Which is seperate from the school shooting rate. Using the Reidman database you can see the spike starting in 2014.

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    I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.

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      Eh, not if you’re already rich. gestures broadly to the wealthy that do so and suffer no consequence

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      At least you didn’t accidentally quote Hammerhead

      “So you can all hide behind your desks now And you can cry teacher come help me Through you all, my aim is true”

      Brilliant song and it’s cool hearing Dexter perform unclean vocals but also it can be too easily interpreted as aggrandizing school shootings

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      “So dance fucker dance” is You’re gonna go far, kid.

      “Jay committed suicide (Brandon OD’d and died)” is The kids aren’t alright.

      Both Offspring, tho.