• Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip
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      Still crossing my fingers that Terminators are going to emerge from ball lightening and destroy the data centers before offing themselves.

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      Yeah dude, the country brutalized by economic sanctions with its currency in free-fall can afford better PR than the richest country on Earth. 🤡

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      Tbf Iran recently got out of being colonized, and had US government sabotaging its stability for decades as well as directly bombing it at some points.

      US is geographically in a safe zone nobody can effect and was literally richest country on earth until recently.

      If government of these two are at the same level then I still get pissed at US more.

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      They’re not as bad as the US, nor Israel.

      Iran isn’t doing any genocides, while Israel is doing at least two with bipartisan support, aid and weapons from the US.

      Iran hasn’t invaded anyone in the modern era, despite having the 13th most powerful military in the world. The US has invaded Venezuela and Iran just this year and threatened to invade Greenland and Cuba.

      Iran has no nukes, the US has tens of thousands is the only nation to ever use them. And they did it twice. On civillians. For no good reason.

      Did you know some in the US argued for the nukes to be used on a military target but it was rejected because it wouldn’t be “impressive” enough? Did you know that Oppenheimer actually pushed for the nukes to be used? Check the link I shared to learn more.

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        Your giving them too much credit. Iran kills their own people in mass. Just because they want actual democracy and a non oppressive regime. They fund terror groups around the world. People seem to forgot about 9/11 now and how they are helping Russians with their drones to invade Ukraine. They are evil as they can be.

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          I haven’t forgotten about 9/11.

          Which country funded 9/11 and provided support/logistics and passports to the hijackers (our friend’s name starts with an “S”

          You get one chance to answer correctly.

          Also, in so doing you also need to remind everyone here which country had zero involvement in 9/11.

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          You know who funds terrorism even more? The United States does - the Mujahideen, the Contras, Salvadoran death squads, Syrian jihadists, Mexican cartels, I could go on and on - and the CIA have conducted countless terror operations across the globe for decades, such as Operation Mongoose.

          9/11 was nothing to do with Iran. 9/11 was done by Al Qaeda, a Sunni group supported by Saudi Arabia. Iran is a Shia majority country. There is absolutely no evidence that Iran had any involvement whatsoever with 9/11. In fact, the Ayatollah that Trump just assassinated, Ali Khamenei, and the President of Iran, Mohammad Khatami both condemned and denounced the attacks.

          You know, the Russian invasion of Ukraine reminds me of something - the US invasion of Iran.

          You know who executes innocent people in the streets? The United States. Remember ICE?

          Iran has a terribly oppressive regime. It comes NOWHERE CLOSE to the evils perpetuated by the United States or Israel. It’s not even in the same ballpark.

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          I don’t know that they’re as evil as can be but certainly not anywhere near neutral or good.

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            All states are bad, but none of them are as irredeemably evil as the United States of America. It isn’t even close. That’s my whole point.

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        Iran just arms and controls groups that commit genocide, Hezbollah, the Houthis, the PMF. Totally makes them innocent am I right? Your entire post is half truths and lies

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          My entire comment is 100% truth, 0% lies. None of the groups you mentioned have committed genocide, I even googled it and I couldn’t even find anyone but you who even claimed it. Are you just making shit up? I can cite every single one of my claims, can you cite any of yours?

          The PMF was a group formed to fight ISIS, for fuck sake. Hezbollah and the Houthis fight Israel, which is conducting a genocide. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. I won’t defend all their actions, but at least someone is standing up to Amerisrael.

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              Over 150,000 innocent people were killed by the explosion alone, without even considering the impact of radiation exposure. They were densely populated urban cities chosen BECAUSE they were densely populated. Military and industrial targets which would have minimized harm to civillians and maximized damage to military operations were suggested but rejected because the goal of the nukes wasn’t to damage the military, it was to demonstrate the destructiveness of the nuclear bombs to the USSR. They were showing off. They did a terrorist attack a hundred times worse than 9/11 just to show off their new bomb.

              By your logic, America really did deserve 9/11 - New York City is a military target, after all.

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            Houthis deliberately targeted the Hajoor people massacredthem and displaced them, they pushed out or cleansed the Jewish population in Yemen, the PMF are ETHNICALLY CLEANSING the Sunni. As did Hezbollah when they fought for the Assad regime. You clearly didn’t look very hard when you googled

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              Remember how this conversation began - by someone claiming that Iran is the “worst of the worst”, and my response saying that the US and Israel are far worse than Iran - not that Iran is completely innocent. You are trying to shift the conversation away from the atrocities committed by Israel and the United States to far smaller regional and local conflicts which resulted in war crimes and civillian displacements. A well-established genocide and campaign of ethnic cleansing spanning decades is being perpetrated by Israel (with US support) which has been recognized by Holocaust scholars and the UN, against the Palestinian people, where at least tens of thousands of civilians and likely hundreds of thousands been killed as part of a well-established campaign of ethnic cleansing. Entire cities leveled by bombing, and you’re trying to “well, actually” it. Disgraceful.

              With all of that said, I have addressed each of your points individually:


              Houthis deliberately targeted the Hajoor people massacredthem and displaced them

              In early 2019, fighting escalated in the Hajoor tribal area, where some groups including Hajoor fighters resisted Houthi control. There is no widely accepted, verified finding of a single deliberate “massacre” of the Hajoor people as a group in the sense of a clearly documented, large-scale intentional mass killing event. Civilians were harmed, and displaced - as always happens in war - but labeling it as a clear, intentional “massacre” is not strongly backed by established evidence. There is no evidence for genocide or ethnic cleansing. This is a case of civillians being tragically impacted by war. When I think of massacres, I think of the Mỹ Lai Massacre, where US forces massacred hundreds of innocent people and engaged in brutal gang rape, including raping children. Only one person was ever punished for this, and he only served two years of house arrest before his sentence was commuted by the US President.


              [Houthis] pushed out or cleansed the Jewish population in Yemen

              The decline of Yemen’s Jewish population began long before the Houthis. The civil war in Yemen accelerated the final exodus, of course, as war tends to do. The remaining Jewish population largely left during the Houthi era, and Houthi actions contributed to that outcome, there’s no doubt about that, but there is no widely accepted finding that the Houthis carried out anything approaching ethnic cleansing. The vast majority of Yemenite Jews emigrated to Israel in Operation Magic Carpet between June 1949 and September 1950. Most Yemenite Jews now live in Israel, likely participating in illegal occupations of Palestinian land. Ironically, Israel probably committed crimes more akin to ethnic cleansing of the Yemenite Jews than the Houthis did. During Operation Magic Carpet, Yeminite Jews were often separated from their children. There was a suspicion that the state kidnapped healthy Yemeni children, for adoption, and then informed the parents they had died. As a result, some decades later, the Yemenite Children Affair exploded, in which it was rumoured that something of the order of 1,000 children had gone missing. In February 2019, the New York Times published an article in which some of the missing children were found by DNA test by their living relatives. They were given for adoption to Ashkenazi Jewish families - a clear attempt of erasing the cultural identity of Yemenite Jews, similarly to how Russia did the same with Ukrainian children.


              the PMF are ETHNICALLY CLEANSING the Sunni

              Well, to begin with, it wouldn’t be an ethnic cleansing, but rather a religious/sectarian one - Sunni is a sect of Islam, not an ethnicity. Putting that aside, of course, the Shiites and the Sunnis have both decades of “bad blood”, violence, war, terrorism and terrible war crimes against the other. A lot of that was a direct consequence of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. US-imposed policies during the occupation contributed to tensions between Sunni and Shia communities. Even so, again, this is a matter of civilians being terribly impacted by the horrors of war. Again, the PMF was founded to fight ISIS, and ISIS is a Sunni Islamist extremist organization. Ethnic cleansing implies a systematic, coordinated effort to permanently remove a specific ethnic or sectarian group from territory. There is no widely accepted finding that the PMF as a whole are carrying out a nationwide, centrally directed campaign to expel all Sunnis. It was a campaign to expel the Sunni extremist terror group ISIS. Terrible war crimes no doubt have been committed by the PMF against Sunni civilians living in areas where the war against ISIS was fought and I will not defend that at all, but it does not amount to ethnic cleansing.

              ISIS was born out of the failed state in Iraq as a consequence of the United States invasion of Iraq in 2003.


              Hezbollah [committed ethnically cleansing in Syria] when they fought for the Assad regime

              As above, it would be sectarian war crimes, not ethnic cleansing. Again, that’s not really important, war crimes are war crimes of course and should always be considered completely unacceptable. Hezbollah did indeed participate in military campaigns that caused large-scale displacement of Sunni civilians, but these were military campaigns directed by the Syrian under Assad, one of the most brutal, ruthless dictators in the modern era. Hezbollah operations were typically carried out jointly with Syrian government forces, making attribution of war crimes complex, but there is no clear, universally established finding that Hezbollah independently carried out a systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing against Sunnis as a whole. If Hezbollah were truly the genocidal force you believe them to be, why haven’t they displaced Sunni people from Lebanon, where they have far more power?

              Even Christians living in Lebanon have spoken favorably about Hezbollah, because Hezbollah protects the Lebanese people - regardless of faith or ethnicity - against the terrible crimes of Israel:

              “How can we as Christians in this area not be with Hezbollah? They protect our churches,” Rifaat Nasrallah, a 60-year-old quarryman from the village, told the Telegraph.

              Israel is now conducting an ethnic cleansing campaign of Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah are bravely fighting those disgusting Zionist fascists and putting them down like the filthy monsters they are. Thank Allah for Hezbollah.

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    Didn’t they also attack Amazon warehouses? Going after Ellison and Bezos, Trumps real allies.

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          Iran democratically elected a socialist leader, Mohammad Mosaddegh, in 1952. The US (and UK) didn’t like that, so they ushered a coup and installed the Shah, a brutal dictator, in 1953. Then in 1979, Iranians had enough of his bullshit and overthrew the government with the Islamic Revolution, voting in Ruhollah Khomeini as the new Ayatollah of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

          Have we ever once considered that the reason why certain sovereign nations in the world behave the way they do was because sometime in the 20th century, the US interrupted their progress towards socialism. See also Latin and South America.

          Maybe the US should just stop interfering with other countries and let the people decide what’s best.

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              America makes money when they destabilize sovereign nations and install their puppets to say “yes” whenever American corporations come to extract (read: steal) their resources.

              America does NOT make money when socialist states like Iran and Cuba nationalize their oil industry such that economic commerce can only happen through the government and its people.

              This is why America gets involved internationally: it’s to fuel their corporate greed and endlessly subjagate the Global South all for the benefit of the Imperial Core.

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            voting in Ruhollah Khomeini as the new Ayatollah of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

            How free and fair was that vote?

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                I’d say freer than Iranian ones, then and now.

                wp:Ruhollah Khomeini#Democracy

                Khomeini also wrote that since Muslims must support a government based on Islamic law, Sharia-based government will always have more popular support in Muslim countries than any government based on elected representatives.[259]

                As for leftists who support the ISLAMIC Republic:

                wp:Iranian Revolution#The 1981–1982 massacre

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                Between June 1981 and March 1982, the theocratic regime carried out the largest political massacre in Iranian history, targeting communists, socialists, social democrats, liberals, monarchists, moderate Islamists, and members of the Baha’i faith as part of the Iranian Cultural Revolution decreed by Khomeini on 14 June 1980 with the intent of “purifying” Iranian society of non-Islamic elements.[250] Between June 1981 and June 1982, Amnesty International documented 2,946 executions, with several thousand more killed in the next two years according to the anti-government guerilla People’s Mujahedin of Iran.[251] More recently, Rastyad Collective has verified the identities of more than 3,400 political dissidents who were executed between June 1981 and March 1982.[252][253] These dissidents were sentenced to death by the Islamic Revolutionary Courts during show trials in more than eighty-five cities across the country on charges of spreading “corruption on Earth” (ifsad-fi-alarz), “espionage”, “terrorism”, or “enmity against Allah” (Moharebeh).[250] Most victims of the 1981 massacre were young activists aged eleven to twenty-four. These activists were either high school students or had recently graduated from universities in Iran and abroad. During the massacre, hundreds of minors were also subjected to arbitrary detention, torture, and summary executions on ideologically motivated charges of ifsad-fi-alarz and moharebeh by the revolutionary courts.[252][250][254] In July 2024, The Special Rapporteur published a landmark UN Report on the 1981 massacre and categorised the atrocity crimes committed in 1981 and 1982 as genocide and crimes against humanity. In this report, the Rapporteur called for the establishment of an independent and international accountability mechanism.[255]

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                  The Clerical class in Iran sucks, yes. They collude with the Bazaar class to maintain power and suppress the Iranian people.

                  But for Iran to overcome this oppression, this is the people’s fight, not some other country’s.

                  The US should not interfere internationally, full stop, unless provoked, including its allies. Last time I checked, the US provoked Iran, not the other way around.

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          The reason Iran has a dictatorship is because America overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran and installed and a brutal dictator Shah in his place.

          Still Iran has never initiated a war.

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            it was of the insistence of uk, THE SHAH WAS installed, which led tot he Islamic revolution, REAGAN told iran to keep holding the hostages there til he got elected.

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              I’m guessing this is a reference to unexploded ordnance in Cambodia, which has killed 20,000 and caused 45,000 amputations since the war ended in 1979.

              That war ended 50 years ago, and there is still 700 square miles of land contaminated by unexploded bombs.

              At least one child will lose their hand to a US bomb this month in Cambodia, you can bet on it. And next month too.

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        Not really. USA actually had a pretty good reputation after WW2 and before wars in ME. For quite some time, US actually looked like a good country.

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          They had a pretty good reputation up until 1953 when they started meddling with Korea. ever since they have stuck their nose in other peoples business. say Vietnam, Chile, Colombia, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc. And if you think well those were all countries that were failing so America tried to help them but they wouldn’t accept the help or something to that extent - congratulations, you are a sucker for decades long American propaganda.

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          It looked like a good country but has been doing the same thing. CIA propaganda isn’t working anymore like it used to.

          USA has been at war 240 out of 250 years of its existence.

          Such good guys they are

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          USA has killed way more than any other nation since WWII which they had a hand in causing. Trust me, USA has a horrible reputation as the number one human rights abuser ever.

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            I dunno, there’s been some pretty fucking bad genocides about the place over the years, as well as shit like Stalin and Mao.

            When it comes to killing other countries people, they might be.

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              You have got to be kidding me, or perhaps you are just ignorant to what the US has done.

              Let’s just start with economic sanctions. It is estimated that US sanctions have lead to the death of approximately 500,000 lives a year for the last 50 years. That is 25 million people just because we don’t like other countries policies.

              Speaking of Genocide the US has an ongoing genocide and has participated is some of the worst genocides in history. Take WWII. The Nazi looked up to the US and Hitler modeled his destruction of Jews on the Native American Genocide

              Wealthy US industrialists like Ford bankrolled the Nazi Empire. When Hitler tried to expel the Jews these same wealthy Americans lobbied against taking them in and stroked anti-Jewish sentiment throughout the world to make sure no one would take them in.

              This lead to the final solution where American companies like IBM developed a census system (those numbers tattooed on the Jews arms) and helped figure out the logistics of sending the Jews to their death so the trains would not backup into the ghettos.

              Besides the ongoing genocide of Native Americans with US Indian boarding schools open to this day, we also have the War on Drugs which is yet another hamfisted genocide against minorities by the white nationalists.

              Millions of families have been destroyed and the US accounts for 20% of the world’s prison population but only 5% of the actual world population. These along with gun violence having killed a million people in the last twenty years paints a very dark picture of the US.

              Yes, the US also exceed at killing others countries citizens as well. The US is responsible for countless suffering being the number one producer of arms in the world. We are responsible for the two greatest murders of civilian life in a single day with the fire bombings of Tokyo and the dropping of the atomic bombs.

              US technology is also particularly destructive with things like poisoning every human being alive with forever chemicals and plastics. While you can definitely say the countries that used this technology are also culpable, there is no denying the US invented and proliferated it.

              Take lead poisoning from fuel for instance. It was estimate that even to this day 5 million people die every year due to lung damage. Added all up it is in the hundreds of millions dead. Of course the greatest loss of life (billions) will happen with global warming something the US petro scientist knew about in the 1950s.

              Back to war mongering the US has toppled around 70 countries and has been directly responsible for the killing of tens of millions of civilians through these terrorist acts. Just their campaign against communism killed millions of leftist

              I am found of saying it would take more than my lifetime just to detail all the atrocities and people destroyed by the US.

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        Usually yes, but have you seen how smart Iran is with their propaganda? The know we all (Middle East, Europe, Africa and the Americas) hate the politicians and oligarchs of the US. And they use this weapon quite successfully. CIA shitting their pants right now.

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    more likely to hurt western oligarchs pocket books. Iran might be thinking about destabilizing the market bubble with force