When the “woke” mania swept the country in 2020, I took a step back and reevaluated where I stood and why I stood there. To my surprise, I found that I agreed with conservatives and libertarians on a number of issues. I opposed childhood gender transitions, unlawful and divisive DEI mandates, and the excesses of Critical Race Theory. I argued against biological males competing in women’s sports and being housed in women’s prisons. I did so loudly and publicly, losing many friends along the way.
Today, some of those same attorneys I worked with are advocating for my right to marry my fiancée to be stripped away.
I fell for obvious right-wing propaganda and rationalized the hate with reason and logic. Now the hate machine is coming for me and that’s not fair!
Any member of an oppressed group that rejects intersectionality is just a chauvinist.
Get rekt, terf
Surely the leopards won’t eat my face
womp womp.
If you think identifying with marginalized groups grants you knowledge, you’re going to be a traitor to those groups. Queerness exists in a significantly different cultural and social context from twenty (even ten) years ago, and many privileged queer people have never had to feel the full force of oppression that this system wields. I cannot emphasize how many white, middle-class queer traitors I have met who believe that being queer has granted them some sort of moral clarity despite their subscription to the maintenance of a system that oppresses them because it has afforded them toys and comfort.
Look at all of these problems for decades, all because we decided that GOVERNMENT should have any say in who we do or do not marry.
Government shouldn’t have any say or opinion, marriage (or any other relationship) is not their business.
I wonder how many billions of dollars have been spent on this absurdity? How many tens of thousands of hours were thrown away protesting, legalizing, enforcement? All stupid and rather silly if you think about it.
She’s an awful libertarian, well most of them are, but very hypocritical on her part.
The whole affair made something clear: for many on the right, their past tolerance of gay and bi people who aligned with them on a few pet issues was never rooted in principle. It was always about convenience. We were never truly accepted — just temporarily useful. And now that some of us have outlived our political utility, they’re more than happy to throw us to the wolves the moment the opportunity arises.
I am still incredulous at the existence of Log Cabin (gay male) Republicans, or even Peter Thiel.
Why on earth would you give any support to an organization dedicated to the destruction of people like you?
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.
“Surely all those other people who tried to beat this carnival games were simple country rubes, whereas I have finally figured out the winning strategy that will surely allow me to beat this definitely not-rigged game!”
Stupid rigged game.
Exactly. It’s not exactly like the right-wing hide their distain for all people of the LGBT spectra.
It’s the classic “but I’m one of the good ones” trope. There’s no such thing, just tokens to be used and tossed away.
No matter how much you try to be a “good one”, you’ll never truly be accepted amongst those who hate your kin. Once you’ve outlived your usefulness, they’ll eat your face just like everyone else.
There were Jews in Germany who supported the Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Most of the members and their families were killed during the Holocaust.
Because Peter Thiel is a billionaire first and a gay man second. He knows that his wealth will insulate him from the consequences of his actions.
and he has money to prevent MSM from outing him completely, almost never hear him in the news, and he has paid to silence any criticism of him.
He spent millions to bring down Gawker because Nick Denton wondered aloud in the comments of an article why Peter Thiel was still in the closet.
Peter Thiel has confidence that his own personal power will keep him safe. Since he’s a sociopath, having homosexuality be illegal actually benefits him because if he gets tired of a relationship he can just out the other man and have them executed.
It’s not entirely clear to me whether history supports his confidence. But little no-name “activists” like the article author are always going to be destroyed.
thiel did defenestrated younger boytoy(not the husband) in florida in 2024, when the model was causing “problems” for thiel.
Because class beats race or sexual preference every time. Peter Thiel is rich first, gay second. Kanye is rich first, black second.
Those billionaires will use any means they can to accumulate power, just ask Gawker about it.
was never rooted in principle.
Republicans have no principles. Ask them in 2024 if they would support Biden going to war with Iran, and they would laugh in your face. But in a March 25 poll 79% of Republicans approved of Trump’s current actions.
Republicans just repeat the last thing they heard on Fox News.
Wow, I did not know that Cohn was gay. Thanks!
Rat bastard hates to be called gay, but likes shoving his sausage onto men he gets turned on.
you have token or mirror?
This may have been explained earlier, apologies for any repetition on my end.
Internalized hatred is real and is a huge factor in this. Many people, when they feel they are on the ‘other’ side of oppression, easily take on the role of oppressors themselves. They believe they have ‘paid their dues’ and found success, and even feel as though they are even more qualified to judge and weigh the rights and qualifications of those in their previous position. It’s very similar to the mindset of older people who have paid off their student loans and staunchly believe that student loan forgiveness is wrong. They think that since they ‘put the work into it and upheld their end of the bargain’, it somehow diminishes their efforts if those that come after them have an easier path. Our confusion lies in the understanding that this is not the direction that progress exists.
Another point, which can be separate from the above or exist alongside: it is a simple fact that being a minority in any group does not mean that person is exempt from feeling prejudice or even discrimination towards minorities in other groups and anyone else for that matter. In a world ready to categorize, divide, and split the tiniest hairs to serve that aim, its a small wonder why we see so many hurt people hurting people.
peter thiel doesn’t care, it’s about the grift
nothing will impact him personally
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
Yes
Thiel plays it safe by staying out of the spotlight, and backing conservatives behind the scenes. Plus we never hear conservatives every attacking THIEL for being gay for any long periods of time, because he has the msm wrapped around his fingers. the “closest” was his young model SIDEPIECE being defenestrated in florida in 2024, which barely stayed on the news long.
trumper gays drank the whole koolaid of the right, they think they are special because they are wealthy or rich.
Does your own hatred of minorities and the poor make you willing to risk joining forces with those who are likely to come after you next?
Yes.
Exactly that.
Just yes, that is literally exactly how that works.
This is a very common theme in the production of leopard food.
Dumb idiot opportunistic greedy traitors, of one sort or another, who cannot comprehend that patriarchichal heteronormative white christian extremist men … are the primary base of their political power, and they demand subjegation of anyone who isn’t that.
Like, Ben Shapiro falls into this… he’s a Jew, he’s a Zionist, … Ramiswamy is Indian… everyone whose ever been called an Uncle Tom (or I guess the more modern version is Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks) … all the Trad Wives that within 5 years barely escape with their lives and sanity intact, or sometimes without those things…
They may destroy you, yes. But they will also oppose those unlawful DEI mandates. At the end of the day, is that not what truly matters?
/s
When the “woke” mania swept the country in 2020, I took a step back and reevaluated where I stood and why I stood there. To my surprise, I found that I agreed with conservatives and libertarians on a number of issues. I opposed childhood gender transitions, unlawful and divisive DEI mandates, and the excesses of Critical Race Theory. I argued against biological males competing in women’s sports and being housed in women’s prisons. I did so loudly and publicly, losing many friends along the way. My stance wasn’t rooted in hate or fear but in a commitment to reason and fairness. My loyalty was to the truth, not to political tribes. Maintaining my integrity cost me greatly, but I believed it was worth it.
Hey Reid Newton: you’re a bigot and a complete fucking moron. Anyone that has two functioning braincells figured out within 10 minutes of first hearing it that “critical race theory” was just a euphemism for “the honest history of how America has fucked over every racial minority consistently though its entire history”. If you think that DEI or critical race theory are real problems, you have the critical thinking skills of a brick wall. Fuck this gal for trying to rationalize her betrayal of her own community.
100%
Also the “it wasn’t a fear-based decision, I just rationally opposed all the forced child gender-transitions”. It’s not possible to roll ones eyes hard enough.
I actually do have empathy for a TERF who’d say, “I uncritically chugged conservative media and become terrified of stories about men ‘transitioning’ as a way to attach women. Now I see that was all lies and I was a fool who never tried putting myself in others’ shoes.”
attach women
Did you mean ‘attack’?
TERF - Transylvanian Entity Repeatedly Feeding
It’s interesting how the English language makes a phrase like “trans women are women” ambiguous about the number of women that each trans woman is… I always assumed “one” but you raise an interesting question.
…what are you talking about? That question is about a typo.
The question itself self-answers with a little bit of thought: reading the typo as-is doesn’t make sense and there’s only one obvious correction, which SalmiakDragon provided. So I read their question as more conversation/chattiness rather than genuine confusion. I was replying in kind with an attempt to riff off of my typo: what if the typo was actually intended? Could we find any meaning to the phrase “attach women”? No, not really.
I was trying to be polite, and leave room in case I had misunderstood. A simple clarification of what you meant would have sufficed.
Oh, my bad then. Yes: you were right.
Given the correlation between trans and plurality, the average is probably higher than one… although I think we would not have much trouble finding a trans woman who would enthusiastically assert her lack of personhood.
also it was one fucking book that the PR machine blew out of proportion, I read it at the time and i really struggle to remember what was even in it, it was just some essays about the history of race in the US, which have just merged with all my other memories of similar stories
CRT is poorly defined; every time I hear it discussed I just think of the immortal words of Bo Burnham: “The backlash to the backlash to the thing that’s just begun.”
DEI on the other hand is well-defined (if increasingly misused nowadays) and I actually think there are good arguments to disapprove of it. Race really shouldn’t be used as a proxy for diagnosing socioeconomic disadvantage; if a student has experienced adversity, you should use that directly to qualify them for aid or increased preference in admissions.
That Funny Feeling hit me like a pallet of bricks to the face when I first heard it. Couldn’t stop sobbing for an hour. Still makes me tear up after so many relistens.
Yeah, Inside has some of the best music exploring those unique and, especially for the time, topical, themes that I’ve ever heard.
I might go listen to it right now…
You’d have to have been asleep for the last 50 years at least to not see this.
Nope, this is natural.
Like, straight up default human behavior, and conservativesare actually really good at manipulating people using basic human psychology.
An absolute shit ton of people who grew up as “outsiders” really just want to be with the majority “in group” and are willing to side with them against smaller minorities.
Like, that’s the whole TERF thing in a nutshell.
Women who were treated poorly for being women, and trying to side with their abusers against a weaker target.
It’s literally the reason most mothers abuse their children. Same psychology, just different target.
Hell, it’s the same reason weak men target women and children in the first place
An innate desire for a “human pecking order” that displays at varying rates due to normal human variation.
Racism too, LBJ described it generations ago after seeing firsthand what Republicans were doing in the South:
If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/
We need to understand why this keeps working to fight it…
It’s literally the reason most mothers abuse their children.
I’m sorry, but most mothers abuse their children? Where did you get this?
I’m reading that as “the reason most mothers who abuse their children do so”
Fair enough, that was probably the intention.
…
That’s really how you took that?
I took it that way too honestly. Honestly it made me skip reading the rest of your argument until I saw the comments below it talking about what you actually meant, so yeah, syntax is annoying but necessary for getting the point you want to make across. (I did go back and read the rest of your argument.)
Let’s try again:
Having diabetes is the reason most people inject insulin.
Do you think that means:
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Most people inject insulin.
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Of the people who inject insulin, the most common reason for doing so is they have diabetes
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Yeah, because that’s literally what it says. And how am I supposed to know you don’t actually believe that? Crazier things have happened! Figured I’d ask, to be sure.
I get what you intended to say though.
It’s the social trade-off to join the in-group. You get membership, but you’re obligated to conform. So long as conformity is easy and light-weight, the appeal of joining the in-group can override your moral imperatives to others. But then the boundaries of acceptable behavior shift under your feet, and suddenly you can’t be a part of the group without concealing or changing some fundamental part of your life.
Like, Reid Newton thinks gender transition and DEI and Critical Race Theory are all bullshit. Has she considered just… divorcing her wife and becoming straight? But no, that would be asking to much of herself. Suddenly, the cost of being a part of the in-group has grown too high, because it’s a deeply personal cost.
This is a great way to self-reflect on these trade-offs before the leopards eat your face
They didn’t “turn on” you. They were never on your fucking side to begin with, and you were a goddamn idiot for believing their very obvious and blatant lies to the contrary.
“To my surprise, I found that I agreed with conservatives and libertarians on […]”
…totally imaginary issues that only existed in right-wing hallucinations.
🤣
Not hallucination, distraction from class struggle.
The rich fuel the fire of hatred between us so we do not stop to realize they are taking everything, and destroying everything. Cannot say this often enough.
Yea like wtf is “woke mania”?
They only ever heard of it in 2020 because that’s when they were told to hate it.
I guess I’ve been “woke” since the 90s, but I’ve always just called it, “not being a fucking shithead”
It’s a way of saying”I hate black people”.
Its like Hulkamania but with blue-haired SJWs instead of Hulk Hogan.
Honestly, that sounds kind of awesome
You were a hateful bigot but are upset you aren’t immune to the bigotry you fuel is all this article says.
She also confirms she is still a bigot.
Reid is a true American: it only matters once she herself is negatively affected.
Also even then it’s no reason at all to take a step back and reevaluate how much of the original talking points were bullshit, too.
“I found that while I supported my own rights as a sexual minority, I did not support the rights of other minorities whom I was not apart of”
That’s what it is to think like a conservative:
“I found that while I supported my own rights, I did not support the rights of others whom I was not a part of.”
Typical Conservatism
“Its stupid, wasteful, sinful, woke communism, until I can benefit from it, then its my well deserved patriotic right”
As well as the reverse… Any sort of injustice or inequity is fine, until it affects them personally.
It’s a great example of why third wave feminism is correct
This person needs to develop self-awareness: why is it only becoming a problem when it affects her directly?
Her issue doesn’t affect me at all but I still want to do the right thing. And I would never vote for Trump because it was pretty clear he wouldn’t do the right thing, in many human right and quality of life scenarios
(Plus he had a long history as a con man from before he ran for election, before he paid for his sleazy reality show to reset his reputation: I’m still confused how people could fall for this)
why is it only becoming a problem when it affects her directly?
That’s exactly why it’s a problem. She literally details out in the article that she doesn’t regret fighting against trans rights, they just need to stop now that they’re focused on marriage equality.
Specifically her ability to marry who she wants, because everything is about her.
Eh. Sounds like the queer version of a “the only moral abortion is my abortion” pro-lifer. It’s kind of a thing over there.
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It seems to be a variation in the extent to which one can easily extend empathy outside close kin groups to more extended or even abstract kin groups that defines what makes someone constitutionally more conservative or more liberal. It has to do with fear thresholds and openness to experience traits too but also empathy scope. And so my conclusion is that this woman is constitutionally more inclined towards a conservative mindset and that this is independent of her sexual orientation. Too bad for her that other conservatives will never be reliable allies for her because, even though she identifies with them, they can’t empathize with what she is.
The problem isn’t so much about things becoming problems once they affect a person, it’s often that these people were never exposed to things affecting them personally before they became adults.
I am of the opinion that empathy develops best when people are exposed to life (for this exercise you are welcome to define “life” how you see fit).
While I have not personally been mistreated for my gender or race, and I have never had anybody murdered or abducted in my personal life, I have had a lot of other Bad Things™ happen to me that has developed a healthy sense of empathy. I can then use that empathy and apply it to those other situations. It’s like the analogy of lifting weights can train you to pick up and move heavy things (not just barbells).
People like this have led what I believe to be very sheltered lives. Maybe they were spoiled, never told no, whatever. As far as they ever knew the horribleness of the world only happened to other people (in books, papers, movies, and TV shows), who they were taught were deserving of such things, and that it would never happen to them regardless pf anything.
None of this is meant to excuse anyone’s behavior or lack of empathy. Never would I suggest such a thing. But it may help your sanity in having a possible understanding of how it might happen in the first place.
It may not; I am not presuming to know you or how you will react to anything I’ve just said.
YMMV.
Along the way in life I have met plenty of people who did have the awful things in life happen to them, and yet they still take this position. I have met many people who have been subject to bigotry all their lives, but then an trans person comes into the picture, and they expose themselves to be equally bigoted, and equally without empathy, and just as vicious.
People develop this way because they desperately want to be part of the power holding in-group, not the powerless out-group. So they will have their own out-group of marginalized people, whom they can feel some of that power over.
It could be a lot of things. I have learned that with how the world works there is no one single answer for why people do the things they do. So yeah, it could be ignorance as I suggested, a power grab/sense of belonging like you suggest, and/or something else entirely.
I also think people like this person in the article gets wha they deserve, regardless of why they are the way they are.
Based on my interactions with you in the past, you were unable to apply this same logic to the genocide in Gaza.
You don’t actually live by the principle you just stated and hypocritically are fine with throwing someone else under the bus to protect yourself.
That was several years ago, though. Hopefully you’ve changed.
