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cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/mop/p/1306410/what-you-heard
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Isn’t the patriot act that took away rights and enabled the creation of ICE? If so, that should probably be addressed too.
Most people don’t realize that the patriot act sunset years ago (practically no media coverage when it happened). Seems like it was kind of a red-herring all along since it appears that they can just do whatever they want. They don’t need a law authorizing it.
But yeah the restructuring that turned immigration agents into a police force needs to be undone.
Yes and yes, it DEFINITELY should.
I like that this is a sentiment that Ron Swanson and Nick Offerman would both get behind. That’s often not the case for Ron Swanson memes.
I do like that Offerman is almost the complete opposite of Swanson in real life. But yes, this is one area they would agree on.
Black list everyone who went immigrant hunting from every having a government job.
Why? They’ve shown loyalty. /s
I know what I’m about son.
This one at least should be a low-hanging fruit that we can reasonably accomplish, because if anyone at this point still doesn’t see the clear need to abolish ICE and prosecute its agents and officials for their abuses of power and violations of constitutional rights, then they’re fucking hopeless.
Time will tell whether the congressional leadership we’ll have going forward will be willing to push for this. All I can say is that they’d fucking better.
I’ll save you the wait: They’re fucking hopeless.
Yeah, even though there does need to be some form of customs enforcement (even if just to prevent invasive species), ICE is so fucked that it’s best to start from scratch.
Yeah but ICE doesn’t do customs inspections, that’s CBP.
And while CBP could maybe use some reforms, from most of my interactions with them they seem pretty professional. Although I acknowledge that may be partially due to my relatively privileged demographic details. But still, they certainly don’t need to be abolished.
ICE however needs to go. Fucking gestapo.
rein in.
As in, pulling a horses reins to get them to slow down or stop, control the horses.
“Reign” is duration of rulership or control, like a king’s reign. Context: “King trump had an unjust reign”.
“Rule in ICE” makes no sense. No, don’t work it backwards like you can “rule” ice.
A king does not “rein” unless he’s riding a horse.
Abolish and prosecute ICE from the top director to the bottommost clerk.
Do not forget the detention facilities and the entire companies that contracted to ICE. Levy crippling fines to the corporations.
Trace policy and contracts upwards into the banks and investors. Find out not just who gave the orders, but who knew and remained involved.
Don’t fine the corporation. It’s legally a person, so give it the death penalty.
Then fine the C-suite into the ground
It is time to call all these shithead Democrats out.
No! We don’t want ICE reformed, and if you truly think that it is time for you to go.
*rein
To rein something in is to pull on its reins. Has nothing to do with a reign.
Yeah, that bothered me too lol
If it makes you feel any better, they didn’t say that either.
It’s funny to think how abolishing ICE is a perfectly libertarian position fitting of Ron Swanson, only because he’s a comedic steelman argument from before most “libertarians” supported Trump.
Which is interesting because this was on my feed earlier today.
I sure hope they mean it this time and none of them support Trump.
Here are some useful resources that can be used to list ICE agents and serve as a record to hold them accountable:
- Icepick comprises records on more than 40,000 U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees and contractors. The data consists of full names of employees and contractors; job titles, including roles tied to surveillance and forensics; work email addresses and email group memberships; work phones numbers; and office locations. No outlet in the fact base reports home addresses, Social Security numbers or financial data in the set. Data from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and other organizations is included.
- The Ice List is an independently maintained public documentation project focused on immigration-enforcement activity in the United States organised by Crust News. The TOR mirror of the site is here.
It would help if people here were to voluntarily add some information from the Icepick list to the Ice List.
“Did someone say give them a whole bunch of money for more training?”
trainingweaponsThat’s the entirety their training.
I want this as much as anyone, but the political reality isn’t as easy.
First off - prosecution isn’t gonna happen with this administration. The legislature may have flipped, but the Justice Department is executive. Of course they should investigate and do everything they can to preserve evidence, but they can’t prosecute and if they’re too heavy-handed with the investigation Trump can pardon his gestapo.
Abolishment or defunding are technical possibilities, but I don’t think they’ll be able to get a veto-proof majority. They’d need a bunch of Republicans to flip. That’s actually a possibility in the Senate, where most of the remaining Republicans realize they still hold their seats because of electoral timing. But the Republicans in the House just won re-election, and if you coupd win in this environment you’re pretty safe.
So defunding will probably come down to a government shutdown. I personally think stopping Trump is worth a shutdown, but it’s a big political risk going into 2028, and the Dems NEED to win the White House so we can start prosecutions.
the Dems NEED to win the White House
If they do it will still be the exact same thing as when they had a trifecta back in 2021 as well because nothing has fundamentally changed.
They will continue to hide behind that “political reality” and thus the death spiral of American politics we’ve been on for the last ~50 years continues.
They only had a true trifecta for a few weeks. You need 60 votes in the Senate to prevent a filibuster, and due to a lawsuit Al Franken wasn’t able to take his seat until Ted Kennedy had stopped attending due to poor health, and when Kennedy died his appointed replacement wasn’t able to take office until like November 2009, and the Tea Party won the special electuon to replace Kennedy and the Dems lost the 60-vote majority in January 2010.
Many might br eager to talk, offer evidence about the crimes of their superiors and give insight. That’s why Trump would want them to remain protected from accountability.
If they want to make a plea bargain, I have no problem with giving them the opportunity.
Except the ones that did the killing, and the ones that encouraged it. No pleas deals dot those shitbags. Especially that little Nazi cos-player Nazi that was running around like a Nazi.
I think if his runny mouth spews out sth. that can take others off the streets for a looong while, ideally miller or someone inbetween, that would be worth shaving off a few months.
None of the grunts that did the murders will have that knowledge, though.
I hope at least maybe some of them are so brainless, they don’t even know what they’re sitting on.
Need to get away from Acronyms that suck. ICE should be the Department of Immigration and Emigration… DIE, no, wait.
Customs enforcement is a very important thing, though. People bringing in invasive species is a real problem.
