Funny what happens when you actually do something.
She’s one of only half a handful of Dems that sound ready to lead people into battle. The difference between how she uses knowledge and intelligence to speak to people is in stark comparison to Trump sounding exactly like he has dementia. She listens and responds. Trump just keeps interrupting any question he doesn’t like. Fuck you Maga. Fuck you entirely. You god damn idiots.
If she jettisons neoliberalism and takes a stand against genocide and imperialism she could begin to make a difference.
Is she supposed to physically go to any genocide or potential genocide and fix it? I’m not sure that’s the case. I’m really not sure she’s “pro genocide”. I could be wrong, but given her history of advocacy I would have to be VERY wrong.
I would prefer a new party, but I’m glad that she and Bernie are still out there.
What’s funny is I was almost going to call Sanders out for, absolutely looking too old for this shit. He’s more competent than RFK.
She’s one of like 3 US politicians that I don’t just kind of low-key actively hate.
tbf, the bar is so painfully low it is not even a tripping hazard.
Well afaik she’s the only one doing a nationwide campaign at the moment
I hope she will be successful in actually overtaking the party to some degree, as most high-ranking party members would certainly see that differently
So the Dems are running the campaign for JD Vance now? Wow, easiest election ever
Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.
AOC should just make a new party.
No, we don’t have time for that. We just have to do a tea party on the Democratic party… Which is what she’s been doing
They do have to go, but we’re keeping the house and the dog
The Tea Party of the Left is what we needed back in the Obama days, better late than never.
There have always been factions in the main parties. Obama was part of a wave of more progressive Democrats that pulled away from the moderate liberalism of Clinton.
There are also formal sub parties like the Blue Dog Democrats and the New Democrat Coalition, the us news media just doesn’t report on them the way European news does for parties.
Even AOC and “the squad” are considered a faction with followers and enemies. The fact that the media is focusing on her and de facto making her the face should be a pretty big signal to the other party leaders that they need to get their shit together or be swept aside. Hopefully they fall in line to help her.
Sadly my expectations for the Democrats is that they will ignore every red flag on their way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I live in Texas, I know the struggle, trust me.
lol obama was about as progressive as george w bush in fact he killed a lot more poor middle easterners than bush. he campaigned on a pile of lies he never planned to implement
That’s why I never believed in the rhetoric of “it’s too late to consider 3rd party!” before the elections. Here it is just 6 months later and “we don’t have time for that”. Is it disingenuous then to just say there will never be time for that, like it is being implied here?
edit: just saw your other comments, I hope your DNC-tea party plan works with some effect. It’s harder for those who have voted for decades for a party that just isn’t responsive to the citizens so we’ll see I suppose.
That’s why I never believed in the rhetoric of “it’s too late to consider 3rd party!” before the elections. Here it is just 6 months later and “we don’t have time for that”. Is it disingenuous then to just say there will never be time for that, like it is being implied here?
It takes years to get a new party off the ground and in a meaningful position to take federal offices at any significant rate. During that time, you are mostly helping your farthest opposition of the main parties win by splitting the vote.
This is literally why the Tea Party operated by internal change of the GOP and not by starting a third party. And love them or hate them, they were effective at shifting the GOP.
My concern with this take is “what are we considering this effect to be?” If we are taking the average republican who wholly considers themselves to be “Conservative”, their party was overtaken by extremists who are the antithesis to what the goal of that meaning is.
I don’t want a “Blue Maga” which takes the party away from progressive policies in an attempt to drum up fanatical support “against the tyrannical reds” while in reality they continue destroying the democracy we have. An example is a new DNC who wishes to prosecute and deport those who are on the right (there are examples on this site of individuals who are “progressives” but think the “right” should all be rounded up).
When people say they want a “tea party” I think it’s way to vague. Talking about the “effectiveness” of how the GOP has been changed is just completely scary, since in reality it just became a mask off-authoritarian free for all. I don’t need a Corporatized DNC to decide they no longer need the decorum of piece-meal policy that helps citizens since they know everyone has no other choice (like what happened with the GOP).
Again, I really hope a “Left Tea Party” would cause the DNC to capitulate to progressive ideology, but that’s not what happened on the conservative side (as evident from the big beautiful bullshit-bill).
edit: taking=talking, fixed a confusing sentence
It would take many decades for a new party to get the recognition.
Most voters probably think Obama is still president.
Would it though? I’m not convinced of that. We already know what the party should look and act like based on actual progressive parties and policies around the world (even some past actions in the states itself), we really just need a name to know it by for everyone to get behind.
It’s the whole problem-solution thing, doesn’t matter what the name of the website or company is, we just need something to step in and fill that gap.
You might not have noticed my point.
I think the vaaast majority of voters just vote the way they always have. They’re just not engaged. There’s no consideration of who to vote for.
I honestly think it would take either a revolution, or several decades before any other party has a chance.
Sadly many of them didn’t know Kamela was even running until they couldn’t find Biden’s name on the polls come Election Night.
You’re not really disagreeing. AOC is perceived as the face of the democratic party and it’s true. She’s at least offering consistent resistance while the feckless leadership of the party does nothing but line their pockets and ensure 100 percent unconditional support of Israel to the determient of all else.
I don’t even disagree with your conclusions necessary, if it’s impossible to dislodge Pelosi and Schumer. But building a party from scratch is really fucking hard. Hijacking one might be easier.
“MAKE A NEW PARTY!11111!!1”
That’s not how America works. Only Democrats and Republicans can actually get elected at the level AOC plays at, because the electoral college only recognizes Democrats and Republicans.
The Whigs are still on the ballot then, right? Since no new parties are ever made, and third parties can never win, it’s still Democratic-Republicans vs the Whigs in 2025, clearly.
They’re going to stay there making bank off of insider trading until they’re so ancient someone accidentally walks through and disperses the dust cloud known as Pelosi, and they finally decide they have enough money to reach supply-side Jesus.
Just insider trading? Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point. Greed itself is our new overlord, business ethics are dead and rotting.
Those super pacs are the fucking Democrats and Republicans at this point
they always have been. people have been pointing out how dems and republicans are two arms of the business party for a hundred years
Surely 3rd party will work this time!
Potentially with local elections first. Build it up from the ground up.
Not like the Green Party and Jill Stein’s goofy ass.
We could do so much worse!
We will do so much worse. AOC lost a committee seat race to a guy with terminal cancer who is dead four months after taking the position.
The people might love her, but the party hates her. AOC has no future in the modern Democratic party.
Well… Yeah, that’s why we’re taking it over. What do you think all the tours and rallies are for? The fight is on, actual progressives and opportunity chasers are positioning themselves for it… It’s happening
It’s tea party time
Not that public visibility isn’t important, but if we don’t replace the people in the room choosing who the party gives all their money to, nothing is going to change.
Money for campaigns is important, but it’s a force multiplier. If there is no force of voters to multiply, it is worthless.
Also those people in the back rooms are going to have a lot less money to throw around now, big donors don’t want to give their money to campaigns that have no chance of winning, what good good is buying influence with a politician if that politician has no influence to sell? I don’t think all that money will flow over to progressives suddenly, but the gap in budget is going to be much smaller now.
Of course - they certainly have to be replaced.
That’s what the struggle over the dnc vice chair position is about - someone won who wants to use funds to primary representatives “asleep at the wheel”, so they’re pulling out procedural reasons to redo it
There’s a plan… It’s not a sure thing, but it’s building a lot of momentum
There is no more Democratic Party.
Are they… Still considering Harris for 2028??? What? Please god. Make it stop. Please.
It’s.
Her.
Turn.
“It’s my turn.” was everything wrong with Hillary’s campaign in a nut shell.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump? That shouldn’t be possible.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump?
This isn’t a problem of Trumpism, it’s a naturally occurring brainworm in Americans broadly speaking. Trump’s a nasty dim-witted freak, so watching him climb to the top of the pile we’ve been raised to believe was a meritocracy causes all sorts of cognitive dissonance. But everyone running for President (except maybe Mike Gravel) ends up looking like this. The thing that separates the Obamas and Trumps from the Hillarys and McCains is whether cheering for the unhinged ego-maniac feels fun or not.
HRC
Take your up vote and go think about what you did.
Praise the lawd!
So “AOC not even close” with 26% but Kamala Harris + Pete Buttigieg + Hakeem Jeffries + Cory Booker + Gavin Newsom = 22%. And that 26% has almost guaranteed the 8% of Crockett and the 12% of Sanders. So 26 + 12 + 8 = 46% but “not even close”.
The headline means “AOC is seen as the leader of the Dems and nobody is even close to her”.
The DNC chair is not usually an elected congressperson, and AOC is absolutely not looking for that job. They’re just talking about the person people think about as the leader.
I don’t know half the people you mentioned
They get a lot of AIPAC money for ads in their district. Outside of it they have no name.
well at least you own up to your ignorance, more than we can say for most.
Oh, the qurstion was rhetorical – the function was a relevancy check. The Hill may think all of those names are important but only half are making it out of the political wonkosphere.
(wonk is an mid 20th century word for nerd)
Was it fairly clear I was just being funny? I hoped so, I try not to tell jokes that actually need to be /s tagged.
Nah. /s tag is a good call. Never saw one that looked out of place in use.
Comedians have been using the written word for eons. Some jokes don’t land when written, and the real solution wasn’t invented this decade.
My personal policy is that if the joke needs a laugh track, a rimshot, or any big sign that says “Joke” being waved, the joke doesn’t work.
I still have to lol about how the stupid qons tried to use her dancing in university as some kind of BAD thing.
Back when Denver Post still had a comment section and they’d allow gifs, and if the topic was AOC, I’d post her dancing. A few of the local wingnuts would try to get me banned/my posts removed over it, esp. if one of the qanon mods was on-duty…
She’s the best. Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing is anyone’s guess, but that sure as fuck blew up in their faces…
AOC dancing and having fun is somehow anti-American and full blown socialism, according to Republicans.
Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing
Because she’s leading moral and dignified Christian men into sin!
It’s not my fault / I’m not to blame / It is the gypsy girl / The witch who sent this flame / It’s not my fault / If in God’s plan / He made the devil so much / Stronger than a man
So let me get this straight: somehow just dancing is somehow worse than drinking beers in fraternities and raping?
She’s a woman with a will of her own, that’s enough for anyone on the Right to hate her.
What I really can’t stand though is when they try to pretend she’s dumb. I mean when we on the Left call Trump a moron, we can actually point to things he did and said. When they try to paint AOC as an airhead, they mostly just repurpose old blonde jokes to be about AOC, there’s never anything she actually did or said that they bring up.
Ever notice that?
God I’m glad I don’t use facebook anymore
She committed the sin of being a woman
I don’t get it neither, let’s turn it the other way: why would anyone want to vote for someone/something that doesn’t show basic human emotions and doesn’t have fun?
well Trump shows the basic emotion of love but for money only
I disagree. He doesn’t love money. He covets the respect and power that he believes money brings with it and if forever angry that even with the presidency he can’t get the true respect he believes he is entitled to.
Yea that too but I feel like if someone told him “you would be the most respected person in the world and very powerful if you agree to live an economically average life (think Merkel but more modest even)”, I don’t think he would agree. Maybe because he thinks if he has money he can anyway buy the others but still money is not just a tool for him he is hooked on the luxuries it brings too.
Zero chance the DNC will run her. They’ll give us another white bread, right of center, compromise candidate. The Overton window has shifted so far right we need to build a new wall to house it.
Oh I fully expect Democrats to endorse Trump for a third term if the alternative is a real progressive.
Personally, I think it is too late to save the DNC. Best to start over in a better place.
This is something I see come up a lot, but I think people are severely underestimating the amount of infrastructure that would be lost by “starting over.” Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteers, etc. “Starting over” effectively means surrendering nearly every election on any scale larger than a municipality to MAGA Republicans for years while those networks are rebuilt and the country cannot survive that. We need more political parties, but unless and until a viable 3rd party emerges, we’re stuck with what we’ve got and refusing to support the only non MAGA options at the ballot box will actively make the country worse.
If you don’t like it, help build that 3rd party and recruit candidates and donors to your cause (or try to shift the DNC and the Overton window back to the left). Until that’s done there unfortunately isn’t a better alternative.
…think of all the cost already sunk into this failure!
Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteer
What if those things are not actually essential in modern day politics?
What if they’re more important than ever before in American history?
Then the same type of politicians will rise through the existing system.
I think most people wouldn’t want to. Unfortunately, I suspect that the Trump Regime only offers two choices: submit to an existence of GOP rule for the rest of our lives, or force the GOP out of existence.
As a very lazy person, I would prefer to coast throughout my life and not worry about much. Unfortunately, that gets harder with each year that passes: the economy is getting worse, RFK wants to send me to an wellness farm, innocents are being trafficked to death camps in El Salvador, and rules that erode liberty for the everyday person are being imposed upon us.
If people like myself don’t get into a “start over” mindset, we might end up paying the price for the rest of our lives.
All of the shit that’s current existing that you’ve listed isn’t working. Touch it.
If Dems just move a little bit further to the right…
The Overton Window isn’t real. Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate, rather than cowardly tailing the electorate like they’re advertisers trying to sell a product.
The Overton Window isn’t real.
Define real? There is certainly something in US politics that acts exactly like Overton Window.
It gets the causal relationship between political leaders and the masses backwards.
The Overton Window presupposes that politicians are limited by the electorate in what they can discuss and pursue; there’s a range of acceptable politics which is created by public opinion.
The reality is that public opinion is created by political leaders and politics is the tool they can use to change the range of acceptable opinion.
By getting the causal relationship backwards there is a tendency to tail the masses rather than lead them. Instead of using politics to create new political realities, politicians behave as if they are trapped within the existing political reality by politics. They seem to think politics is something that happens to you, rather than a tool you use to do things.
There’s a range of acceptable opinion, sure, but it doesn’t limit politics. Instead, politics creates the range of acceptable opinion.
sounds extremely unlikely tho.
