• jet@hackertalks.com
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    Most people don’t actually want to hurt their coworkers. But the reason lockouts are actual physical locks, is because people can get confused, make mistakes.

    You give everybody doing the dangerous work a physical key to a specific lock on the device that can kill them, so they all have to come back and unlock it individually before you can enable the machine again.

    Prevents issues like a work crew leaving a site piecemeal, and then the first guy thinks the last guy is done, but the last guy ran back to grab something…

    And if this industrial panel doesn’t have the ability to be locked out, you lock out the f****** electrical panel and cut power to it.

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      There are quite a few plane crashes where one important factor was the flight crew getting on the airplane and seeing an “INOP do not use” sticker and figuring “IDK, seems like it’s working fine” and using it anyway.

      Basically what I’m saying is, yes. There’s a reason they started making physical locks for this, it wasn’t because they were just sitting around one day in a corpse-free office and decided it would be a fun project to undertake.

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      Yeah. And you do NOT fuck with LOTO locks. We had a crew come from out of state for maintenance overnight, and they went home one of them forgot to remove his lock.

      After we spoke with the worker on the phone the next morning to verify he wasn’t in danger, we still didn’t cut the lock. We made him get his ass on a plane and come remove it.

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        Great story.

        Sends a message to all who hear it, reinforces the culture, prevents maiming/death due to miscommunication… lots of good stuff.

        Nice!

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldM
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      On every plant floor I’ve ever been on, tampering with a lockout was grounds for instant firing without appeal, and the tags said as much.

      I suspect in this case it’s neither the operators nor maintenance men who need firing; some asshole in management is probably forcing them to work on the machine at the same time it is in some kind of partially operational state in order to keep the line going in a moronic attempt to avoid downtime.

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    I know this is mostly a shit post, but if you’re ever working on anything that has the slightest ability to maim, electrocute, etc use lock out tag out procedures. Industrial accidents are real, and can take someone from this world in a heartbeat. Stay safe nerds!

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      Come on, some plastic boxes, tags, and padlocks are worth more than a human life, right? Won’t someone for once PLEASE just think of the SHAREHOLDERS

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        It literally takes 5 seconds to grab a hobo outside and put a work shirt on them. Do you understand how long it takes to make custom molded plastic boxes? I swear people don’t want me to get my second super yacht or something, greedy fucks

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      I heard some horror stories when I was a TV engineer, usually from people not doing lock out tag out or disabling safety features to do the job faster.

      It was kind of surprising to me to see that it was literally a lock like you’d put on a storage shed or something. I thought it would be something fancier.

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        It doesn’t need to be secure, they fire anyone who removes someone else’s lock.

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      Every person who could be at risk needs to have their own lock preventing activation, and they need to maintain control of the key personally.

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    I love seeing this kind of post. Comments are half “lol funny meme” and the other half are people almost having a ptsd reaction as they (correctly) grill people about loto. I’ll add my 2c; safety protocol is written in blood. Those rules exist because somebody in the past died horribly and people implemented procedures to prevent that from happening again. Ignoring safety protocol is ensuring that the next ones will be written in your blood.

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      That’s how I like it in the comments - partly goofy and partly serious. I can potentially be amused and learn something at the same time.

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            It more or less provides an extra cushion to prevent restart, as a coat; harness/lanyard; or anything else can’t inadvertently release it if it gets caught. The button may get detached but won’t allow the system to run. It also just requires a tad more thought and intention to release it.

            There are also ones that need a key to release.