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I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.
None of these chuds have ever watched a minute of PBS in their adult lives.
Its a mistake to believe that this is an irrational or ignorant decision. These guys KNOW what the message of PBS is and there is a reason they don’t want it to get to kids. They are making child soldiers and they don’t want people giving them inconvenient values.
You guys are telling jokes while the other side is building an army. Maybe start taking this shit seriously.
100%. American liberals really do think this is just more of the same old Bush-era GOP misbehavior and are responding to it as such.
The thing is, if you’re an American and you know how hard it is to simply vote out fascism, and if you understand how close America’s empire is to the brink of disaster, you’re either running or, lacking the means, mentally preparing yourself for a struggle to survive.
I pulled up stakes and left, but I still have to keep my sense of humour to stay sane.
BIG lol at anyone who thinks voting is the way to fix this.
Yeah, alright. Big lol at anyone who thinks knowing history magically makes you safe, while we’re at it.
lol. Everyone knows the only way to fix this is to troll liberals on Lemmy. lol.
Yep. Yeah. Yes.
It’s over.
It’s really easy! If you imagine that a black person and a white person could never be friends or spend positive time together, and then you saw a show that had them together, you might conclude the show is trying to convince you something is okay that you know is not. Propaganda.
If you imagine that a gay person is inherently wrong, and that bad things deserve to happen to them as punishment for their choices, and then you watch a show where a gay person is happy and normal and respected, you might conclude the show is trying to push an idea on you that you already know isn’t right. Propaganda.
It’s sad, and dangerous, but it’s not complicated.
Thank you so much for commenting this. It’s so annoying to see both the original screenshot and so many exchanges in here either playing dumb or actually being dumb about WHY they see PBS as propaganda. As always, people are more interested in appearing to preach epic gotcha wins to their own choir, while totally sweeping the real meaning of their opponent’s statement under the rug. It’s not being nice and learning to read that the right takes issue with PBS over, it’s race, gender, and sexuality issues. But rather than respond to them on that more difficult ground, the masses choose to go for pointless low hanging fruit like “lol so you hate kindness???”, and then congratulate the OP for owning the right, meanwhile the right is totally unphased by that completely off-topic mark-missing response. And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.
Tolerance for others and their inherent traits is basic kindness. So yes, if you are not OK with black/queer people than you hate kindness.
And then we wonder why the right sees us as a bunch of circlejerky bubble-world morons.
Modern western “right wing” are outright fascists. We should not concern ourselves with what they think of us, except if it helps us fight their ideology. You won’t be able to convince them with logical arguments of any quality, because they hold their position not because of logic but because of repeated propaganda that leverages the inherent human fear of unknown and different.
The most realistic way I see of things changing is as follows:
Capitalism will inevitably squeeze those people harder and harder, until they can’t afford groceries and rent, despite millions of immigrants being deported and woke TV programs being banned. At that point they might question their ideology and yearn for change, and the left needs to be ready. If the western left once again squanders its potential and do-nothing neolibs (a-la Biden or Harris) get back in office, you can kiss your civil rights goodbye, because they won’t fix the fundamental issues with the system and the voters will swing to fascists again the next cycle.
What needs to happen is that at least demsocs like Mamdani getting into offices all over the country. If that happens, they might at least do something to fight against capitalism and unlimited extraction of surplus labor, and improve material conditions for people, at least a little bit. If that happens under left’s watch, people will associate the ideology with good material conditions, and will appreciate its other tenets (human rights, equality, tolerance, inclusion) more. Whether this leads to vaguely left-wing rule for a while, a-la FDR, or an actual outright revolution is of course questionable, but it’s the only way forward for the US IMHO.
Y’all need to make a third party that represents the left, because Democrats never will.
Start with local elections and build your rep, you need a genuine left leaning pressure on the politics of your nation - showing that people will show up to vote for real left leaning values is the way.
The DSA should become a party of their own right.
We’ve had third parties of various types for centuries, it has become a financial impossibility for third parties to succeed in modern America.
With Citizens United and hundreds of new billionaires, I think it’s possible.
I completely understand your argument and I agree, but I would also say that acceptance of other races, sexualities, nationalities, etc is , at its core, just kindness, and that MAGA generally dislikes kindness toward anyone who isn’t cis, white, and American, or a token minority who agrees with their policies. That’s kind of one of the main problems with MAGA.
They don’t even like kindness for themselves. They like rigid obedience. The instant anyone steps out of line they get beaten into submission or disowned.
Very well put
If you imagine a channel that endorses genocide… Oh wait no need to imagine.
I must have missed that episode of Sesame Street. Could you link to it?
Reality has a well known Liberal bias.
which type of liberal? north American or RoTW?
this is a stephen colbert joke from his colbert report era. he was portraying a right wing media troll, so in this case, liberal means liberal the way rush limbaugh, sean hannity, tucker carlson, ben shapiro, or nick fuentes means liberal. it’s anyone who thinks living in an oligarchy is a bad thing
Nah. Reality has no preference for a capitalist hegemonic ideology.
It’s just a reference to Colbert talking at the White House Correspondents dinner in '06 lampooning how conservatives seem to constantly have beef with objective reality. Calm down kid.
I can barely even understand how anyone could think PBS is propaganda.
Propaganda, that’s how.
The Reich wing is infuriatingly effective at using projection as both a defensive measure and an assault.
I have an uncle who thinks anything to the left of NewsMax or OAN is “too liberal” (yes that includes Fox News). The indoctrination is real
Cool, and your uncle has a nephew who thinks PBS is not propaganda. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Or maybe they did. Seaseme Street might go over the heads of maga voters. And Mr Rodgers messages of inclusion and empathy are far out of their mental grasp.
It’s Arkansas, what did you expect?
Maybe if PBS ran a show on how to hook up with your cousin?
That’s how we got into this mess to begin with.
If it’s not their propaganda they think it is the other way… instead of ya know… just facts or basic learning.
“Think”
Arkansas
Heh.
Most people are idiots and the bell curve isn’t as wide as you’d like to think.
And there’s always the George Carlin perspective:
Think of how stupid the average person you meet is.
Now, realize that half the population is dumber than that.
To give some uh, anchoring to this…
The average American adult… a d u l t …
Is currently as literate as a 5th to 6th grader.
In conclusion; Yes, it is objectively correct to state and believe that most people are idiots, at least if we’re talking about the US.
… and Arkansas… is pretty damned close to winning the idiot contest.
“Powerful stupid”, you might say.
How many children upvote this nonsense?
PBS is literally overt propaganda. The amazing thing is how people don’t see it. We’re so immersed in the hegemonic narrative, the droning voice of the state that we can’t recognize the obvious overwhelming bias.
The most glaring recent example is their complete endorsement of the genocide in Palestine. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
How many times you gonna link that same Wikipedia article in this one thread lmao.
Someone didn’t watch enough Sesame Street as a child xD
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omfg 🤣🤣 yes. I think you cracked the code lmao!
When did PBS endorce the genocide?
Ah yes the hegemonic narrative of… the scientific method. The droning voice of…kindness.
What a hellscape.
where and when did they overtly endorse genocide in Palestine? their newshour coverage of national events has been more critical than the other national outlets and is literally cited as one of the main reasons elon and trump wanted to defund pbs
That book should be the US constitution.
It looks like it is.
Yeah, I would love to see an eagle tear up that enslaver pact.
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That’s fucked up. Funny. But also kinda… “idk you like that”. Gay
Ah yes Arkansas, the beacon of education. Happy to keep their citizens illiterate and ignorant.
Arkansas ranks 45 out of 51 states in education.
So, let’s say the kid gets up at 6am. PBS listings:
- 6:00 – Pinkalicious and Peterriffic: Gingerbread House; Christmas Tree Trouble: “Pinkalicious” and Peter build a gingerbread house that attracts Sarafina, a holiday fairy
- 6:30 – Curious George: George Digs Worms; Everything Old Is New Again: George’s entry into the world of worm racing faces a giant hurdle when Mr Quint picks up the wrong lunch box; George learns about recycling, and sets out to recycle everything he possibly can.
- 7:00 – Sesame Street: Elmo’s Morning Routine: Elmo and Abby help Crystal the Ball invent a morning routine.
- 7:30 – Milo: Milo the Decorator: Otto is needed elsewhere, so Milo and pals set to work painting Dame Delores’s ballroom.
- 8:00 – Work it Out Wombats: Zadie’s Horrible Haircut; Zadie’s Horrible Haircut; A Day Out With Babby: SUPER anxious about going to the barber, Zadie decides to cut her own hair. To fix this disaster, Zadie needs to face her fear of getting a haircut. When it comes to playdates, Malik discovers that smart devices have their limitations.
Golly such offensive content. The kids might actually learn something on Sesame Street!
All I see is pure unadulterated brainwashing sir. Now if you’ll please leave us all alone we’d like to continue watching Fox.
You’d think that Fox News would at least be trying to take advantage of this by rolling out something like “Fox News Jr.” with angry propaganda for 8 year-olds. But, I guess they’re just happy to see kids forced to watch any for-profit TV channel.
My guess is it’d be some sort of praegeru-kids
instead they probably force them to watch FOX, OAN, newsmax, or any of the right grifters 24/7.
also Huckabee sanders state, whom also ROLLED BACK child “slave” laws.
I guess PBS hasn’t been working then. Maybe it’s their anti-science ideology in favor of capitalism, genocide, etc.
This is how I know you are in this thread talking out of your ass and overly generalizing PBS; NOVA has existed since 1974, has 52 seasons, and over 1,000 episodes, yet somehow PBS is anti-science. Are there people who work and produce things in PBS that are as you say? Probably, would be extremely unlikely there would not be a single person who isn’t. Is PBS completely anti-science? No. Rather than linking to the Civil Religion wikipedia and saying not much else and blaming people for not seeing it, perhaps it would benefit your argument to bring actual evidence to show that PBS as an entity is what you say.
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PBS isn’t perfect, but it’s publicly accountable and transparent—more than most for-profit networks.
The exact reason it has to go. Too much oversight, not enough pandering and way way too much science.
Edit = This will in fact cost PBS a small amount of money.
PBS is part-funded by government, but also relies on transmission fees paid by the affiliates for network programming, as well as corporate and viewer donations. This will further reduce the money in the PBS system as it will no longer get fees or donations from Arkansas.
My mistake.
PBS is already funded.
By whom? Where do you think the propaganda comes from?
It’s brought to you by viewers like you. If you watched PBS, especially during pledge drive time, you would know today about 75% of funding comes from small donors.
“Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself” as per Goebbels
“Accuse your opponent of what you are guilty of yourself" as per every toddler ever
No joke
Fascists are uncomplicated because their philosophy is uncomplicated: access to power grants you control.
Elementary school teacher here. 95% of “he hit me” tattles are followed up with, “Only because he hit me first!”
Deny accountability, reverse victim and offender.
So, Mr Rogers, Sesame Street, Nova… were all propaganda?
The letter of the day is F, for Fake Fucking News.
Nova
I know plenty of people who think saying the earth is >10,000 years old is propaganda.
There was a Nova episode in the 1970s that was dedicated to a crazy rich guy’s hare-brained scheme to mine minerals off of the sea floor.
Then, about thirty years later another Nova episode revealed that the mining scheme from the earlier episode was a CIA cover story to cover up for a top secret claw game operation to lift a sunken Soviet submarine off of the sea floor.
So I guess the first one was fake news.
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The fact that American taxpayers actually finance right-wing indoctrination to a considerable extent seems to be overlooked here, which is probably due to this very right-wing indoctrination.
When the orange rapist dies these freaks are going to keep dragging this nation down for the remainder of our lives.
The people financing Trump are the puppeteers, they will immediately switch to another puppet.
Kind and smart are just not MAGAt values
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Then chalk this item up with the million-and-one things that are completely ignored by the
spiritually purifiedlazy mediocre idiots who passively let all this happen, this death by a million-and-one cuts, since Reagan.But boy oh boy by golly, they sure do feel they are doing their part by chuckling at political zingers online, after the damage is done, because they let the mouth-breathers through the front door and gave them the goddamned keys to the house and car in the first place.
Keep pretending that the Democrats lost the election because of a conspiracy of online users further to the left of you, and not because they ran a botched campaign with an unelectable candidate.
there can be two things
I would love to know why Biden was electable but Harris was not.
Care to explain?
it’s very simple. the US is rampantly, unabashedly sexist. patriarchally sexist and racist, even huge chunks of the left. i hate it. i’ve fought my entire adult life to change it. but that doesn’t make it untrue. and we needed to win to stop waves hands frantically in the air all of this so we could keep making progress against the sexism and racism.
don’t get me wrong, i voted for her and i’d do it again.
she may have been the correct choice for feminism and anti-racism. i wanted her to win, to prove that America was “better than that”. but i knew it wasn’t. she was not the correct choice for a winning campaign. not here, unfortunately. not yet. and now all that progress toward fixing those things is now stomped in the mud by the Dems making a bad bet.
but also, she’s a police bootlicker and even i, a staunch believer that Trump is actively destroying the entire world, didn’t like that.
https://blueprint.ucla.edu/feature/kamala-harris-california-top-cop/ https://capitalbnews.org/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/kamala-harris-has-finally-embraced-being-a-cop.html https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/harris-has-long-supported-both-law-enforcement-and-community-collaborations-that-keep-people-safe/
I can only speak from my experience, but my mom voted Trump, Biden, Trump.
She voted for first Trump because her church told her you can’t vote for Clinton because she’s not a Christian, and she’s always been apprehensive of Women in leadership.
She voted Biden because Trump’s actions clearly showed he wasn’t Christian.
She would have voted for Biden again. She struggled whether Trump or Harris were lesser evil. Too many Harris ads taking about reproductive rights she just couldn’t force herself to vote Harris.
Your mom sounds like a weak person, unable to think for herself, and who betrayed her own gender. Honestly, I’d be too embarrassed to comment on her, if she was my mom…
I’m sure with furrowed brow they would respond in a caveman like tone “Biden man, Harris girl. Girl bad, man goooood.”
the last three presidential elections seem to form a strong message: america is a nation of misogyny. hillary? unelectable. joe? record turnout. kamala? unelectable. their politics? nearly identical.
obviously there’s more factors. personally i voted for Elizabeth Warren in 2020 and thought joe biden was the very worst candidate in the 2020 primaries. but the thing to understand about republican voters is that their engagement is that of a sports team (and there are democratic sports team voters). they will show up everytime to vote for their guy even if they hate him. the democrats have to counter this as an entire coalition. the candidates need to inspire turnout, and the voters have to turnout, otherwise the ratchet effect will continue forever
Ok, now quantify how many terminally online young leftists who didn’t vote dem there are in the USA
Keep pretending like “Abandon Harris” and shit like that wasn’t pushed relentlessly offline by “Bernie Bro” idiots.
It was mostly different elements of the Left, not really “Bernie Bros”. Bernie himself was out there campaigning for Biden and Harris the entire time. I think we need a better name for the Left factions who supported Trump in the election, misidentifying them is only going to create more divisiveness. Those “Bernie Bros” who listened to Bernie during the campaign and did what they could to stop Republicans don’t deserve to be lumped in with the dumbasses who actually helped them win.
I desperately wanted Kamala to win but goddammit I agree with you.
the republican candidate in 2016, 2020, and 2024 got the same number of votes just about every single time. the democrat candidate received nearly equal votes in 2016 and 2024. people were willing to turnout in mass numbers in 2020 to keep trump out of office in 2020 but not in 2024.
while i agree Kamala Harris could have gotten more votes shifting left, i also can’t help but be frustrated about those ~10 million voters who were willing to vote for Joe Biden in 2020 but not Kamala Harris in 2024. what most leftist groups were advocating for was to vote for Harris and then commit the energy we were going to have to commit organizing to protest Trump protesting Kamala.
the thing is we saw big protests during the 46th presidency. the motivation was there. but now it’s harder to coagulate and maintain those movements with ICE and Homeland security going full gestapo as opposed to before when they were 80% gestapo.
the big thing though is we’re here now. i’d rather not relitigate the past, just maintain a critical analysis of it so future generations don’t repeat it. what’s more important is making sure there’s a world for future generations to inherit.
Biden campaigned. Harris did, what, one longform interview? She really thought that was all she needed to sail away with the thing. The arrogance.
if you think that’s all she did you weren’t paying attention. not that there’s anything wrong with that given your .uk home server, but this is a gross oversimplification that ignores both how much campaigning she did, and how much the specifics of her campaign eroded the positive momentum she had when biden dropped out
An “unelectable candidate” is not an obstacle. I mean, look at what the GOP ran…!
Trump won the maximum number of elections winnable in the USA, what makes him unelectable?
Have you actually had your eyes open for the last 10 years?
FFS a convicted rapist and 32 time fraudster, probable pedophile, who’s using the office of POTUS to enrich himself and his awful family? A man whose negligence and mismanagement in his first term lost over a million extra lives to Covid. A man who betrayed all undercover CIA assets to Russia. A man who betrayed long time allies, the Kurds, to a genocide by Turkey. Who betrayed all the Afghans who helped America, to the Taliban. A man who is bombing small boats in the Caribbean, and double tapping any survivors. A man who is selling out Ukraine to please his owner, Putin, and of course for his own personal profit, and who has already done the same to the Palestinians… A man who is disappearing American citizens, and other LEGAL visitors off the streets, to third world prisons… Even though he “won” ( and I believe Elmo committed some fraud to help him win a second term…), by every metric and standard that exists outside of tRump America, the man is unelectable. I don’t even think he’s human, tbh…he’s some sort of lizard creature with no normal human qualities. The fact that you even ask such a question tells me all I need to know about YOU, magat !
You can make the list as big as you want. Trump is a pedophile and a fascist, and I’m a European communist who hates his fucking guts. But the measure of electability is NOT being a good, moral person, it’s winning elections. I also hate Obama for his warcrimes, but he was electable as fuck.
unelectable candidate.
It’s a FPTP system. She literally just had to be not worse than Trump. She was fine.
trump’s base was excited. hers was alienated.
centrists think that that “marginally better than trump. sometimes. if we have to.” is sufficient to win. It’s not.
Fix your shit and you’ll win.
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Lie to someone else.
If she was fine, why did she lose the elections TO TRUMP
Have you seen the first row of inaguration?
Was it full of terminally online lefties?
Because she was only fine, and humans are illogical idiots who need to be externally motivated to act in their own self interest.
I know I sound jaded, but it’s beyond stupid that he won. A vote for a literal corpse would’ve made more logical sense for anyone who isn’t far right wing. But fuck critical thinking, I guess.
Wow the Harris campaign strategist has entered the chat.
FPTP: obvious on the internet, unknowable to candidates
How the FUCK was Harris an “unelectable candidate”?
Keep pretending that your “both sides” bullshit was 1.) limited to the internet and 2.) didn’t have a massive impact on lowering voter participation.
You’re STILL FUCKING DOING IT, DUMBASS. You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump. HOW? For ONCE, fucking explain yourself.
How the FUCK was Harris an “unelectable candidate”?
She lost the election, have you heard of that?
You are saying, right here and now, that Harris was worse than Trump
No, I’m saying she was less electable. She decided to run a campaign of satisfying her Zionist overlords instead of gaining popular vote, she got the results she wanted. The Democrats would rather lose the elections than present an antizionist candidate
Blaming voters for how they vote is like blaming the weather when the forecaster got it wrong. We handed Harris an unprecedented amount of money and attention but her team made the wrong predictions on what would get people to vote. We can continue to blame misinformed voters and keep losing or we can learn a different lesson.
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, WhY bOtHeR vOTiNg
Seriously, the fake “progressives” who refused to vote are the most detestable group in this mess. At least Trump supporters are brainwashed idiots. Fake “progressives” knew better and STILL helped Trump come back to power.
When your entire platform is “dumb people will let us do whatever the hell we want”, reading and education become your enemies.
The disparity between red and blue states keeps growing…
For anyone from Arkansas: disparity means contrast
(I’m kidding, I’m kidding, I know our Arkansas blue dots here on Lemmy aren’t dummies)
I’m aware of at least one MAGA person with a kid who is like 10 and can’t read.
with a kid who is like 10 and can’t read.
And is exposed to all the garbage and domestic violence.
Teachers’ classes are, sadly, full of such kids, there are many first-hand accounts out there over the past few years. It precedes COVID, but the pandemic definitely exacerbated it.
This is not nearly a MAGA-specific issue.
This is devastating to me, as an 8yo I was already reading medical textbooks. I can’t imagine what it would be like to not have such foundational knowledge, but if I were to assume then it must be a rather dull and boring lifestyle, perhaps even dangerous whenever there’s warning signs that don’t use symbols.
The simple are a happy people, zombies have total peace of mind
The people who legitimately believe this are space aliens in skinsuits.
No, they’re fascists wearing a giant neon sign that says:
⭐✨FASCIST✨⭐
Look its the same thing. The good space aliens don’t wear human skin suits.
