“Democrats will be doing a disservice […] if they don’t come together and decide to support whichever candidate has the most support among them”…
what do you think a primary election is? it is literally seeing who has the most support among democrats. so this guy is the one who is doing the disservice of not deciding to support Zohran
Yeah but the people don’t know who they want. The DNC knows who the people want. This is why I nominate Hillary Clinton as NYC mayor.
yeah, let’s stop “cannibalizing each other’s support” by attacking the nominee and giving support to others. very sound strategy, mr paterson.
sheessh. can’t he SEE that the democrats need new blood
Democrats and Republicans work for the same billionaires. You are about to witness Democrats working against Mamdani like they never have against Republicans.
In a fight between socialism and fascism, liberals will ALWAYS support the fascists.
I believe equally strongly in personal freedoms and individual rights. I think that makes me liberal. Fascism definitely has significantly less of both compared to socialism which is also not what I think of when reading Mamdani’s policies.
“Taxation is theft” people are deranged imo, not liberal; pointing their frustration at the wrong part of the system. Are those the people everyone thinks of when the word liberal comes up?
I believe equally strongly in personal freedoms and individual rights. I think that makes me liberal.
Depends what freedoms and rights you’re talking about. Everyone says they’re for freedom and rights, more or less, the difference is in what they consider freedom, and what they consider rights.
Are those the people everyone thinks of when the word liberal comes up?
Nah, those are libertarians.
Got it, ty.
By personal freedoms I mean that you should be allowed to persue the lifestyle you want to live as long as it doesn’t directly infringe on others living the life they want. I don’t care what substances someone wants to use in their own home. Heroin and other hard drug possesion is up to that person and shouldn’t be a crime in and of itself. Similarly you can have whatever oversived monstertruck you want that’s unliscensed, but it should only be allowed on property you own, not public space and it can’t overstep reasonable noise limits if you have neighbors closeby. Don’t want to vaccinate your kids, you’re a neglectful dipshit parent, but it shouldn’t be illegal (as much as I wish it would be mandatory). The child shouldn’t be allowed at any school, daycare, or public setting due to health risks for everyone who does vaccinate.
Rights should include food, water, books, internet, public transit, legal representation, and some form of shelter even if it’s just a cheap pod hotel. I also think it is rediculous to punish someone for public urination if there are no public restrooms reguardless of the individuals intentions, so I guess bathrooms or port-a-potties also need to be available.
I really hate statements like this. Not because you are right or wrong, but because your word choices obscure your true meaning when used this briefly.
In the context of this thread, which is clearly US politics, “liberal” has a somewhat different meaning to the majority of the audience than I think you are using. I almost think you are just making rage-bait, but I’ve seen it so many times that I have to respond to someone.
We have a clear dichotomy of our political parties, since we effectively only have two… some words I might use are ‘republican’, ‘conservative’, ‘democrat(ic)’, ‘liberal’, ‘progressive’, ‘socialist’, ‘fascist’, ‘leftist’, ‘right-wing’
Because of human language, these may signify different things based on context.
I identify as a “liberal” in my country. I am also a “democrat”, as well as a “socialist” and a “leftist”. I am anti-trump. I would vote for Mamdani, but I’m not in the area.
When you make absolute statements like “liberals will ALWAYS support the fascists,” you ignore the context. Perhaps in the dictionary sense of the words, a liberal will prefer a fascist government where wealth makes power and they get all the benefit of their work over a socialist one where their input helps everyone. That describes a giant swath of business owners for sure, as well as the ‘taxes are theft’ people. In the US, though, a liberal could mean a person more focused on bodily autonomy, social equality, social safety nets and other more ‘socialist’ concepts.
Another way to put this is that the political words are a 3D venn diagram. When you put your line of liberal = capitalist against someone who is thinking liberal = democrat, you are going to have friction because, based on context, that word lands in different places. I’m going to ignore any ‘all democrats are capitalists’ arguments, or complexities around our election systems. See my post history if you want my opinions there.
If anything, I’d recommend that people clearly define their words, such as a liberal vs a liberal. And even then, you can see that both are capitalist by those definitions even though, colloquially, a person may identify as liberal while preferring socialist ideals.
Basically, any absolutes, especially in the realm of political ideology, makes you a Sith (probably). Also basically, anyone firing off a one-liner in a conversation this fraught is a troll (probably).
the DNC arnt liberal though, they are center right, Dinos for the most part.
Liberal just means they support capitalism as opposed to socialism or feudalism, it covers everyone from Scandinavian social democrats to Javier Gerardo Milei.
Liberalism: A Counter History is free on Annie’s Archive, it goes through the major liberal philosophers, their role in society, and how they handled the contradictions of liberalism.
Those seem like some major contradictions of the concept of liberty. Ty for the book reccomendation.
He can, and he knows he ain’t it
Democrats would rather lose to Republicans than let a single social policy happen.
Ok this is either comedy (if you know) or happenstance (if you don’t know)…
But David Paterson is blind.
And not like “blind allegiance to the party” but actually, legally blind.
Either way, he cannot SEE that the democrats need new blood.
It’s been so fucking ridiculous to watch the US left spend three decades just completely buying into the conservative smear job against the Clintons. Just licking up every drop of the trash they’ve fed you.
Perfect? Not by a long shot. But you’ll be goddamn lucky to ever get another president as qualified and capable as Bill or Hillary ever again.
Bill “Epstein Island” Clinton?
Hillary “Let’s promote Trump and sabotage Bernie” Clinton? Very capable politicians. Have a “ButHerEmails”.
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
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Pat Buchanan would be so fucking stoked to hear anyone on the left parroting this
Are you claiming it’s false? Of are you just mad it’s true?
Pat Buchanan drinks water and you drink water, therefore you are as bad as Pat Buchanan /s
But you’ll be goddamn lucky to ever get another president as qualified and capable as Bill or Hillary ever again.
Provided you’re a billionaire.
“No, I’m not at all susceptible to right wing media messaging”
I mean, I’m not buying your support of two center-right corpodems.
And who are literally a mile to the left of anyone the DNC has to offer.
American “leftists”: ready to throw fists in defense of 1990s Rush Limbaugh talking points but absolutely incensed at the suggestion that they’re not doing enough to stop the fascist overthrow of their government. 🤡
And who are literally a mile to the left of anyone the DNC has to offer.
The clintons and soulless corpodems exactly like them are all the DNC is willing to offer.
American “leftists”: ready to throw fists in defense of 1990s Rush Limbaugh talking points
Why would rush limbaugh say that they’re too far to the right? Just because the clintons are to your left, that doesn’t mean they’re acceptable.
2016 was eight years ago, get over it.
For DNC democrats are the donors and most probably AIPAC. Democrat citizenry are not the target for them.
For AIPAC Mamdani is antithesis to Israel, which is much more important than US.
oh for as long as it’s been a thing, primaries are simply a way for the owning classes to convince themselves they manufactured enough consent. when it fails them they pull this crap and it will all be forgotten when the next season’s newest life changing emergency drops.
I was thinking this myself.
Yeah, but socialists don’t count, obviously. \s
Mamdani: It’s about the policies
Democrats: Gee whiz, you ran such a good campaign
Voters: It’s about the policies
Democrats: Gosh, if only centrists could find such a charismatic guy.
They think everyone but them is so stupid. It’s infuriating that the system is set up so we’re forced to work with these twats.
We found that charismatic centrist they’re looking for. His name is Barack Obama, and we’re still dealing with the fallout of him campaigning on “change” and failing to deliver.
Because of Obama I had health insurance. Because of Obama I was not in medical bankruptcy.
But then again that was almost 10 YEARS AGO. Blaming a black American man for White Backlash is so American it hurts.
Because of Obama the banks got bailed out.
You mean Bush? The meltdown happened before the election. By the time Obama got in office his choices were to finish the plan in place, or create even worse short term upheaval by changing plans.
True. I forgot. Democrats can’t just stop Republican policies when they have full control. Only Republicans can stop Democrat policies. And Obama executing the Bush plan to bail out all the banks and brutally surpress occupy wall street was not his fault. My bad.
Tbf to the previous poster, the Republican party is great at setting up sabotaging and impossible choices for when a democrat is elected. E.G. the tax bill TACO passed in his first term that was set to raise taxes for all people making under 75k in 2025. E.G.2 The troop widthdraw plan in the Middle East that had no preparation done before Biden came to office and all those munitions were left behind.
On your point though, yeah the Dems are beyond completely incompetent each time they have one of those situations. It’d be nice if they stopped pretending politeness and passivity was the same as having good morals.
I might be misremembering, but did Obama federalise the national guard to suppress the protestors? Or was it just the NYPD…
You’re right this makes it better. Trump using the national guard to arrest 1 (one) protester is what crossed the line for me. It’s not about abuse of violence to violate the right to protest and protect the billionaire class. What matters is that Trump did a thing very slightly differently.
I mean, you had a point about the bailouts. I just don’t think you can blame the suppression of Occupy Wall Street protestors on Obama himself. He wasn’t the only neoliberal in charge in 2011. Sure, the FBI and DHS were keeping tabs, but it was the NYPD that did the violent suppression, under orders from Mayor Bloomberg.
The specific uniform of the thugs brutalising protestors is really not the important part.
It kind of is when you’re criticising someone for it? There are plenty of valid criticisms of Obama.
The last time a non-change candidate won a presidential election in the US was 2004. No president since Obama has had enough of a majority in congress to enact meaningful change, and it was squandered. It’s not entirely his fault, but as the leader of the Democrats at the time he takes the plurality of responsibility. The ACA started off as a change that could have fixed healthcare in the US but got watered down into propping up a fundamentally broken system.
Trying to deflect a politicians legitimate failures as racism or sexism is so Democrat it hurts. Yes, racism and sexism played a part in Trump winning, but discontent with the status quo pushed him over the finish line. If racism and sexism alone are enough to fuel the Trump regime and keep it in power, then I guess it’s time to flee the country, because we’re a lost cause.
He should have ripped heaven from earth for that supreme court seat.
Less infighting and more pushing things forward would have been great too. Playing for reelection is a loosing position; I want to see more aggression with policy change.
Leaders move masses. Look at Lincoln, look at either Roosevelt (who didn’t even come from the working class). They had a vision and they pulled the country towards that vision. I refuse to believe that out of 350million of us there aren’t a couple people capable of being real leaders. ‘we don’t have the votes’ - so get them. Bernie Sanders was polling at less than 1% when he entered the race against Clinton, and he nearly beat her by building a movement. The reason they don’t have the votes is because they don’t want them. They don’t actually believe in progressive policies.
This is a bullshit talking point.
Obama was full of shit. Fuck neoliberals
He can have done some good and still have been bad overall.
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Barack… Obama? Oh! You mean Captain Drone Strikes?
Gosh, if only centrists could find such a charismatic guy.
The Overton window has moved so far right that the DNC only has humorless executives and dead faced lawyers left as candidates.
I think you mean right
As long as Democrats block popular leftist policy they are no better than the Republicans.
If a party only allows policy that consolidates wealth into the hands of the rich then it is useless to workers.
Sorry babe, but vote blue no matter who.
And, uh, by blue we mean red this time.
overton window. US democrats are not considered democrats in other western countries. You have no “left” party worth voting for.
We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.
From Zohran’s site:
Taxes on big corporations and the wealthiest New Yorkers
Zohran has a plan to bring down the cost-of-living through city-owned grocery stores, universal childcare, and other bold proposals, and he knows exactly how to pay for it, too. Zohran’s revenue plan will raise the corporate tax rate to match New Jersey’s 11.5%, bringing in $5 billion. And he will tax the wealthiest 1% of New Yorkers—those earning above $1 million annually—a flat 2% tax (right now city income tax rates are essentially the same whether you make $50,000 or $50 million). Zohran will also implement common-sense procurement reform, end senseless no-bid contracts, hire more tax auditors, and crack down on fine collection from corrupt landlords to raise an additional $1 billion.
There’s some unspoken words there:
We cannot aford ideas without a plan for implementation or funding.
“…that must not impact our wealthy donors.”
Shhhh, their corporate doners are trying to push propaganda through them! Stop defending a candidate who is not at all sympathetic towards the upper class!
the DNC is so desperate they had to pull cumuo out of the dredges of the sewer as a candidate. im guessing alot of rich billionaires live in or around NYC so they wouldnt want a democrat mayor most of the time, they want a status quo to be maintained.
Democrats are more scared of the left than Nazis.
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Glances at Eric Adams
Some of those that work forces…
sometimes ya gotta…
As (neo)liberals, they stand to lose a lot if real leftists were ever in control.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
F A C T S
Well they are still on X which is owned by a guy who does Nazi salutes and whose AI chat bot calls himself Mecha Hitler ~(over giga Jew, but still wrong choice)~
So they will stay on that platform but won’t vote for this guy, yeah your comment rings pretty true
They’ve spent more time and effort going after Mamdani than they did trying to stop the “Big Beautiful Bill.”
Hey, don’t be disingenuous, they got the name changed in the senate and Booker stood tall with his little-league baseball bat! You can’t expect perfection!
le sigh
/S because this is the world we live in…
Well yeah, easier to fundraise this way.
I love how this asshole talks about “cannibalizing support” when he’s openly against the officially recognized Democratic nominee for mayor.
What a fucking joke. I hope to fuck he gets primaried too. We need to stop letting these corpo democrats suck up all the oxygen in the room.
How did he manage to stay relevant after his approval rating dropped to 27% in 2009?
Because democrat leadership is powerhungry controlled opposition. Same reason they didn’t release the Epstein files either.
in case you forgot: https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/
Are recalls a thing there? Because that Paterson guy needs to be recalled.
Edit: He’s not even governor. He served a partial term in 15 years ago and wasn’t even elected. This is madness.
Exactly what you’d expect from these anti-DNC crowds, madness and malice.
Mamdani is the DNC candidate, vot for Mamdani
“Democrats will be doing a disservice to the people they wish to serve”
So… billionaires
They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they refuse to fucking retire and let a new generation make decisions.
The DNC is just as culpable for both Trump terms as the GOP voters imo.
The DNC already handed the election to Trump. And now that a leftist gets any momentum the DNC are still doing everyhing in their power to prevent leftists from winning.
And they’re flubbing it so hard, which is half the joke of all this.
Cuomo was a shoe-in, according to the polls, two months before the election. The dude was going to walk into Gracie Mansion without breaking a sweat. Then Mamdani - a virtual unknown State Senator out of Astoria - gets a bit of traction with his campaign platform and a ton of hate from the Zionist national media. Suddenly, this dark horse candidate is on everyone’s TV screens. He’s the center of the national fight over the Gaza genocide. And he’s getting up on the TV to say things like “Buses should be free at point of use” and “Maybe we could get grocery store prices down if we ran them like the Post Office”, which are the crazy left-wing ideas that nobody else is suggesting.
He’s glad-handing Brad Lander after the man is bullied by ICE. He’s talking about housing reform in one of the most expensive places to live in the country. He’s getting car bomb threats from a guy who doesn’t know he takes the subway to work. All the worst people you know hate him.
Wins by 12 points. Obama didn’t have it this good.
It’s not really a generational thing.
The DNC has been bought by the donor class. They operate under the (not insane) belief that they need huge sums of money to win elections.
Mamdani makes the donors unhappy, it’s as simple as that.
Mamdani is around the same age Pete Buttigieg was when he started getting into the national spotlight. Buttigieg doesn’t threaten the donor class, so full support. Fun memes and tweets about him going on Fox News and making a host look like a fool.
You see any popular candidate get crapped on by the DNC, go read what the candidate wants to do and ask yourself a simple question “does this threaten the wealth of the donor class?” If the answer is yes you are guaranteed that the DNC establishment are going to be fighting that candidate.
The DNC and the top of the party would MUCH rather lose to the Fascists across the aisle they have a corpo bribe sharing agreement with than win with a candidate that campaigns on bringing accountability to those wealthy bribers.
Or to put it another way, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer would lock arms with Republicans and treat President AOC, for example, the way most Democrat voters wish they were treating Trump. Scorched earth, not a single meeting, not a single appointment, just bill after bill trying to strip all Presidential power until a hypercapitalist sits in the chair again.
Neoliberals are much closer to Republicans than they are to anything resembling a leftwing, politically. The only thing that separates them is not actively pointing and laughing at you when they hurt you to line their pockets, they just shrug, call it market forces, and hand you an affirmation ribbon you can neither eat nor live inside.
Which is why this nation is beyond repair and we need to force collapse and start over, with a constitution barring capital markets and any profit sharing that isn’t tied to working/laboring for what’s being profited from. Speculative investment is cancer that breeds sociopathy, division, and death ☠️. No neoliberal or fascist is against the for profit deathcare confidence scheme we call American healthcare for all but the wealthy. They’re both paid to defend it from us.
They are gonna hand the election to the GOP because they
refuse to fucking retireare beholden to and allied with the 1%FTFY.
One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma. Its not age, its that they’re trusted to protect the interests of capital.
One of the youngest members of congress is Kyrsten Sinoma.
Kyrsten Sinema. And she declined to run for reelection, ceding the primary to Ruben Gallego (slightly younger, at 45) who looked good-ish on paper a couple years ago. But now he’s fallen in with the Crypto-Bros, he’s been seen taking money from the Qatars, and he’s otherwise indistinguishable from any of the other pro-war, corporate-friendly Schumer style liberal Democrats.
they’re trusted to protect the interests of capital.
The irony of it all is how we’re immolating our industrial base and flinging trillions into tech sector lucid dreams in a way suggests a very bleak future for actual physical capital in the country.
Welp, at this point anyone calling the us any form of democracy has to put the clown makeup on thick first.
You have a two party system with one party having no access to anyone not on a list of approved individuals vs the other party having a glorious leader and no access to anyone unless approved. The real sad part is only one of those two cares about holding power, so you have a nation of fascists (remember they did win that election) and a bunch of people who can claim some sort of moral high ground.
Given republicans are now fascists its maybe a little cheeky to post this. I think its like “dems: long windy path to fascism” “republicans: direct, immediate trap door to fascism”
Democrats: The scenic route to Fascism!
Not just that but corporate Dems are status quo-ers and same-ers. Fascists actively want regressive policies, progressives want progress, and centrists want nothing. Genuinely they roadblock everyone on purpose because they don’t like change. Given the choice between progress (change they’ve never seen before, hasnt been done, havent considered) and regress (change they are familiar with so it feels more “same” for them), they often side with regress but not always. Regressives also can appeal to centrist’s love of the same by making them think they can balance incremental progress with incremental regressive policies, which the Dems agree is a fair trade because they DO NOT WANT CHANGE.*
But you can’t teally run a campaign on “Let’s do NOTHING!”
Dems were an active thorn in the regressive side for a long time and it was them who forced the slow drip regressive and progressive movements. Some (me) might call it a genuine failure of them to actually do their job of governing and responding to urgent political matters using up to date resources at their disposal. Some (me) might say it is because their job, what they get paid for, is to suck up to the wealthy and do what they are told, and then make speeches to soothe voters that they don’t care about anyway.
I will say the list of good Dems is longer than what a lot of you have written. Maxwell Frost, Al Green, Melanie Sransbury, Stacey Abrams, that rep from Massachusetts with the hair, Jasmine Crockett… probably more. It isn’t just AOC and Bernie doing a good job, we have others
** Examples: Progressives want healthcare for all. Regressives (fascists) want no healthcare for anyone. Samers say, hey, this healthcare thing is popular, so we have to pass something but nothing too “crazy” (free healthcare models have been in human society for thousands of years yet progressives are always seen as “crazy”). So they then use regressive, slave-based policies to attach your healthcare to your work status. And feel like they’ve really done something there
basically its a uniparty, justa coalition of the 2 sides, more often than not they pass things benefit themselves and the donors more than the actual voters. most of the time its backdoor deals between the 2 parties and the donors, that doesnt make news, because msm will not let it happen. GOP gets to enact thier plan in exchange for dems enacting some of thiers.
It’s a power sharing agreement.
Makes sense if you can limit who can run in the party there is zero threat to you from the general population. I think it is stranger that people think the voters in such a system have real power.
the culture war distractions are the only polarizing item in the 2 parties to keep them divided with a little help from grifters back by my krasnovs handlers., its basically distraction, to the backdoor deals. the tax cuts almost never get repealed when the D get into power, or through reconciliation because DInos are still there.
So “blue no matter who” and “the time for debate is during the primary” is only meant to benefit corporatist, war-hawk candidates?? I’m shocked, I tells ya.
I don’t understand.
Mamdani is bad for New York because of what Trump has done?
While simultaneously using Trumpspeak?
Unity will allow the democrats to prevail?
A glob of unified uselessness is just as useless
Nooo you can’t do economic populism to win an election you’re support to run solely on identity politics and protect the billionaire class! - Democrats.
Slander is spoken, libel is written.
That dude nailed that character in one of those ‘best in history, nobody else could have’ performances.
JK Simmons was the objectively correct choice. 100% perfectly cast.
At least 100%.
Technically correct, and OP changed the headline to say “attack” instead of slander. But even that’s inaccurate. What the governor said was very polite criticism, saying he doesn’t think Mamdani is the best person for the job - not even “bad”, just not “the best”. And it’s the governor - one person - not “Dems”. OP is just spewing standard MAGA bullshit.
Spiderman!
*mamdani
And he’s not even the governor.
Well yeah, former governor. So at this point just some guy criticizing Mamdani (also, typo fixed - thx).
I’ll change the title to ‘attack’ instead of slander because the grammar police is getting out of hand
